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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2010, 03:00:07 pm »
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For something like this, you might even consider naval jelly or one of the other commercial rust removers since, even though it is a neat find, it isn't going to priceless one of a kind relic associated with Butch Cassidy's homestead.

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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2010, 03:14:19 pm »
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For some reason, most of the mortise locks I have ever seen have patent numbers stamped into them. Your lock is so encrusted with rust that nothing stamped in it is visible. Consider, as BA said, using rust remover. If you soak it, be sure to give it a really good rinse or the remover will eventually do the metal in.

This is an interesting find but as you will find out, there isn't much in the way of collector value to them.

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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2010, 03:19:40 pm »
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     You just reminded me of a story that my dad's friend had mentioned.  his parents were out somewhere here in Utah and found a tree with the name "Butch Cassidy" carved into it, they dug at the base of it and pulled out a rag bundled up, and an old pistol wrapped in it completely caked in grease for protection.  now that's a find i want to come across, whether it was Butch's or not....i want it Pray  I have a picture of the wild bunch on my dashboard so that as I'm driving it reflects back on the glass and i can see the picture.  it might sound weird but some of those guys are hero's of mine....restless souls that refused to adapt to society and the changes that migration to the west and the construction of the railroad.  Thanks for the suggestions of how to take care of this lock, I'm going to try an ID the writing on it, and then maybe try and clean it up.

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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2010, 07:29:59 pm »
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It is called a rim lock, maybe from the mid to late 1800's! Google rim locks or old locks! "neat find!" Wink

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EW, what makes this mortise lock different than a rim lock is that a mortise lock is designed to fit entirely inside the door while a rim lock fits in a groove made on one side of the door.   If you look at this lock from any edge, you'll notice that the scalp sticks out about the same distance on both the front and back side of the lock mechanism

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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2010, 11:20:00 pm »
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i am having a heck of a time finding out the history of this lock, every website and google search I've had has brought me around to companies that make reproductions of locks similar to this....the mystery goes on i guess.  i wrote a gentleman at the national lock museum in Connecticut or somewhere....i can't remember where it was.  hopefully i hear back from him and he can shed some light on it.

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Did you clean it up and look for patent numbers? Any printing at all stamped into it under all the corrosion?

Your curiosity may be all that gets satisfied. There's a listing on eBay for three of them, reconditioned with a starting bid of $10.00 for all three.

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As far as antique value goes, there are houses just full of them all around the world with locks that have never been in the ground. My house here has them in every room and I have modern spares made to fit where the old ones go if they should get more wobbly than they are now.

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the reason I recognized it so quickly is my grandpa's garage was practically a museum of early 20th century hardware (if it was smaller than a breadbox and used in buildings between 1920 and 1965, chances were there were multiples in the garage).  Not only did we have loose mortice locks and rim locks that had been removed from doors, we had brand new ones (both in and out of the box).   They were made for quite a while by a bunch of different manufacturers, so without the patent numbers and/or manufacture information stamped on the lock, you won't get far.

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