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« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2011, 06:34:40 am »
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In that report they did'nt say which port they were forced into by spanish ships and who's got the treasure now, way back did the spanish steal it from Portugal ,or from the Aztecs, who knows, theft is'nt ownership .I feel sorry for those guys after all that work
and it all could be gone.  I wish MR STEMM alot of luck

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I think i did that BA where you said ( That being said ) near the bottom well i hope i did Shocked Shocked
STRUTH PICKLE me Granmother i ope i'm not in the smelly stuff again Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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Yes, the well-worded press release by Odyssey's legal department omitted information in regards to which port they were forced in to, and which conquered country it came from.     Great

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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2011, 10:37:37 pm »
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I am looking at this a little different them most here. What ever happens in the treasure world can and will effect everyone from the coin hunter, bottle digger to the cache hunter.
Few of y'all remember the Texas vs Platoro LTD back in 1967 or 68 but that one case changed the rules and laws about wreck hunting in Texas or water hunting for that matter. The way the law reads is that any treasure from the high tide mark to 7 miles out belongs to the State of Texas school lunch program, don't make much sense but thats the government. So by Texas law any thing you dig in the wet sand are water can be confiscated. Until some one starts digging up a bunch of gold bars are artifacts that the state wants they want enforce it . Google State of Texas Antiquity Act of 1973 I thing. I will try to find a link.     

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« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2011, 12:40:46 am »
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Irrespective of what port they were forced into the fact that they were and that they were treated very rudely is the point.  The Spanish poisoned the water in this case by their high handed and neo-piratic actions.  I can't believe that Stemm and his troops would leave Gibaltar bay and set course for spanish waters.  That would mean that the Spaniards intercepted them in UK waters and commited a piratic act.  If Stemm sailed into Spanish waters then he deserves the treatment he got.

The Black Swan site is not in site of land as the survivors of the Mercedes say they were and along with the other particulars involving the ship the Spanish have no leg to stand on.  If the U.S. gov. was and is guilty collusion with the Spanish gov. in this matter, no matter what administration, then the court should immediately ban them for the case and proceed as if the U.S. gov. had never spoken.

So sayeth one, so sayeth all,

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« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2011, 03:03:05 am »
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Everything containing more than 10% precious metals belongs to the crown,this is a 500yr law coz henry vIII and his daughter Elizabeth 1st blew all the countries wealth and needed to build up a reserve, and we still get screwed on this one with the added twist

you say this could be in british waters i hope this is not the case, but this may be a fine example of inter-govermentle relations LOL
I don't meen to go of topic but i am so embaressed by this, just when you think it's safe they do something again and its what ever will fit ona blank page coz my words ain't strong enough.

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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2011, 06:42:51 am »
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The article in the opening posts states:

"The WikiLeaks cables have complicated what is already a complex and contentious legal fight between Odyssey and Spain."

How so? There is noting in the WikiLeaks cable(s) showing anything out of the ordinary or that protocol in this matter was breached.

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« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2011, 12:32:24 pm »
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Sweeper me thinks you mis-understood, I meant that when the Discovery vessels left gibraltar bay that they turned to port and stayed wthin say a quarter mile of shore until they were even with the tip of the peninsula and then turn to starboard into open ocean they would never have been in Spanish waters.  Thus the Spaniards perpetrated a piratic act in the terratorial waters of another country.  What bugs me is that the Brits did nothing to assist the Discovery vessels in the face of such a breach in terratorial decorum.

RO if the Wikileaks docs. indicate that the State Dept. was willing to parlay with the Spaniards against an American company with no evidence that said company had transgressed against said Spaniards then evidence abounds that the court should remove the U.S. from the case.  Also the putting of the interests of one American against other Americans, ie. Discovery & it's shareholders, is if not a breach of protocol then a breach in American standards of fair play.  It is a moral breach of the most serious kind and in light of the fact that we no longer use the stock or give lashes, those involved in it should at least receive a dressing down for their part in it.

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« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2011, 12:45:44 pm »
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Sorry Gramps I was gettin abit confused and with my short fuse is the makins of a bad brew, Cheesy Cheesy

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« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2011, 01:12:05 pm »
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RO if the Wikileaks docs. indicate that the State Dept. was willing to parlay with the Spaniards against an American company with no evidence that said company had transgressed against said Spaniards then evidence abounds that the court should remove the U.S. from the case.  Also the putting of the interests of one American against other Americans, ie. Discovery & it's shareholders, is if not a breach of protocol then a breach in American standards of fair play.  It is a moral breach of the most serious kind and in light of the fact that we no longer use the stock or give lashes, those involved in it should at least receive a dressing down for their part in it.

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Greetings Gramps....the WikiLeak debacle is slap-full of speculation, conspiracy theory "what if's", Odyssey says and a whole boatload of non-speak. The quid pro quo agreement is a ghost.

Spain has already proven their case in a US court. The ruling is in appeals. That is American justice that nobody wants to rally behind. Also forgotten is the foreign flag flying over the recovery vessel. That, and Spain is not bound by our (American) laws.

Nevertheless, the end/final results will be very interesting 

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« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2011, 01:24:54 pm »
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Bottom line i'll still with the Odyssey Cheesy

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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2011, 04:36:43 pm »
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R.O.,

I have not seen or heard the coordinates for the Black Swan to be able to certify for myself whether it's in international waters.  As to whether the ship was military or commercial I would think that Discovery Inc. would have done the research into that point.     

Sitting here in my tiny town on the coast of Oregon I had not heard of any finding in Spains favor which rather confuses my few remaining grey cells.  Of course if the judge in the case has a decidedly liberal bent then all bets are off.

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