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« on: August 12, 2009, 08:03:04 pm »
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I need help finding manifest list for the Adams Express Cargo Company that operated through 1868 I think. They handled alot of money. They had a train robbed with $500,000.00 and Pinkerton Detectives got involved. What I am looking for is details of a shipment in 1852. Any help or links will be appreciated.


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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2009, 08:25:49 pm »
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Surely with all the folks here Somebody can help me!!!!!!!

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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2009, 09:11:11 pm »
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Train Robberies were more frequent in the United States than anywhere else in the world in the latter half of the nineteenth century. Vast stretches of sparsely inhabited country permitted robbers to escape undetected; carelessness and lack of adequate security on trains also made robberies easier. The robbery of $700,000 from an Adams Express car on the New York, New Haven, and Hartford Railroad, the first train robbery on record, occurred in 1866. That same year, the four Reno brothers stole $13,000 in their first train holdup. They went on to stage a number of bold bank and train robberies in southern Indiana and Illinois before the Pinkerton Detective Agency, just coming into prominence, tracked them down in 1868. Vigilantes executed three of the four brothers before their cases came to trial. The Farringtons operated in 1870 in Kentucky and Tennessee. Jack Davis of Nevada, after an apprenticeship robbing stagecoaches in California, started operations at Truckee, California, by robbingan express car of $41,000.

Train robberies peaked in 1870. The colorful and daring Jesse James gangbegan to operate in 1873 near Council Bluffs, Iowa. No other robbers are so well known; legends and songs were written about their deeds. For nine years they terrorized the Midwest, and trainmen did not breathe freely until an accomplice shot Jesse, after which his brother Frank retired to run a Wild WEst Show. Sam Bass in Texas, the Dalton boys in Oklahoma, and Sontagand Evans in California were other robbers with well-known records. After 1900 the number of holdups declined conspicuously.

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DeNevi, Don. Western Train Robberies. Millbrae, Calif.: Celestial Arts, 1976.

Pinkerton, William Allan. Train Robberies, Train Robbers, and the "Holdup" Men. New York: Arno Press, 1974. The original edition was published in 1907.


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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2009, 01:53:27 am »
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Your quest for information is going to take a lot of resolve. Odds of the manifests going that far back still existing are probably slim. Both

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You will probably need to contact each company to inquire as to how to locate their historical records. I doubt seriously if the companies have maintained them, but perhaps, if you are lucky, they were achieved in a museum and not destroyed.

If they no longer exist, you will need to research newspapers from 1852. Hopefully you know where the train originated and where it was going. One last thought - if you can determine which rail road company was the carrier perhaps you can get historical records from them.

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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2009, 12:04:14 pm »
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Thanks for your input Saoirse.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2009, 06:07:56 pm »
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You might want to check with the National Archives. They have a list of all the Pinkerton files on the Internet but to actually look at the records you will have to go to Washington, D.C.

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Sorry, you can still go from that page, just type in Pinkerton Files then hit go and it will take you into the National Archives.

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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2009, 10:03:58 pm »
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Quote:Posted by findoldstuff
Hey Everyone,
I need help finding manifest list for the Adams Express Cargo Company that operated through 1868 I think. They handled alot of money. They had a train robbed with $500,000.00 and Pinkerton Detectives got involved. What I am looking for is details of a shipment in 1852. Any help or links will be appreciated.



Can you find the succession of companies taking up the assets of each, as they expired, in turn? There should be a paper trail, of some kind and somewhere along the line should be a repository of the company,s records??

It sounds like a big job.

Outback; you forgot Bill Miner... He is reputed to have been the originator of the phrase *Hands up!*

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Train robberies peaked in 1870. The colorful and daring Jesse James gangbegan to operate in 1873 near Council Bluffs, Iowa. No other robbers are so well known; legends and songs were written about their deeds. For nine years they terrorized the Midwest, and trainmen did not breathe freely until an accomplice shot Jesse, after which his brother Frank retired to run a Wild WEst Show. Sam Bass in Texas, the Dalton boys in Oklahoma, and Sontagand Evans in California were other robbers with well-known records. After 1900 the number of holdups declined conspicuously.

Bibliography

DeNevi, Don. Western Train Robberies. Millbrae, Calif.: Celestial Arts, 1976.

Pinkerton, William Allan. Train Robberies, Train Robbers, and the "Holdup" Men. New York: Arno Press, 1974. The original edition was published in 1907.



You forgot the train robber Bill Miner.... he is claimed to be the originator of the phrase *hands up!*

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