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« on: February 12, 2012, 10:01:49 am »
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Hi all. i am a real greenhorn - not been outside yet. Decided I wanted to build a detector and afetr a fair bit of searching, picked the Tesoro Bandido (but for trademark sake, mine is called a Bandodo). Lots of circuits about for this one BUT, they all miss a vital part. There is a third coil (bucking coil) not shown on any schematic I have seen. It is wound around the RX coil, 1/4 the number of Rx turns, and is wired in series with th Tx coil. This extra coil must be so placed as to be 180 degrees out of phase - just turn it over if it does not work. Once you have this things start to happen! I changed all the ICs for types in my junk box and a few Rs and Cs that don't really matter. So far it all works. Need to finish it before going out to the fabled UK gold fields (they are in Injun country - we have a lot of them over here). I will post again when I have discovered some Saxon treasure. Funny

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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2012, 11:00:34 am »
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Welcome from New Mexico.

Have you considered the TGSL or IGSL detectors? Both are based on Well known Tesoro detectors.

The IGSL would be really cool over in the UK as it has independent detection circuits one being for Iron.

Yes they are missing the Bucking Coil.   You Do Not need one to null a DD coil.

Both have ample information and proven builds on a few forums.

You can buy a Really Nicely done PCB and Parts kit from a Gent right there in the U.K. for Less then a Fair Price.

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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2012, 11:49:37 am »
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What searchcoil information did you use ? The original German files or the English . The bucking information was posted with one of those files ? The other option is just make a DD configuration , it will be easier to wind .

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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2012, 12:33:23 pm »
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Welcome from Arizona.   Good luck from a non-techie.

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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2012, 12:03:35 pm »
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Coil ? Hah! I made a LOT of coils and today, by accident....Made a 9" Tx and a 5" Rx and a buck coil around the Rx (turns by calculation, not guessed.
Now then. Since my Tx coil is 9" I calculated the diam. Then I got an old wooden slat from a blind, made a U shape in each end, spaced at half the circumf. next, real easy to wrap the coil nice and tight. Test for frequency to be 2 * the required F - so for 10Khz I measure 20KHz. Why ? Snap the wood and remove the coil, bind it with tape and open into a circle. Then measure F, it will be half ie 10KHz. Same method for Rx and Buck.
Placed buck on top or Rx and tuned for a null with a scope - took about three turns off - not bad for the maths. Then I found something odd...as I moved the Rx and buck, so the null changed (yes, I know why)...so....fixed the Rx in the middle of my head, then the Tx but by changing the shape here and there got a total zero null  - and the range on the bench is brilliant!!! Still finishing it, hope to post some pics.

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2012, 12:42:12 pm »
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Normally the RX would be half TX in diameter with twice as many turns and the bucking coil 1/4 the amount of turns of TX by working out the LC the coil size wont matter but the size of the object that you are looking for will i.e you will have a greater depth with a bigger coil but you will not find the smaller targets. A 9'' coil is a good size and I'm sure that you will have loads of fun with it.

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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2012, 02:04:57 pm »
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Hello, I have seen a lot of the USA, spent three weeks on Scottsdale, went to the Canyon, Tombstone, Nojales and Cabo San Lucas too. Loved Rawhide, the river boat trip and a place called Greasewood Flats. Great times.

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Hi and yes, i did the math and got things right but it was the physical alignment in the head that nailed it. I work (like at work) in the 800Meg band where things are real spooky. In time I plan to add a micro and do a bit of DSP stuff - I will be able to flip between analogue and digital modes - I think the micro version will be way better. Detecting

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2012, 02:22:08 pm »
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I'm currently working on one that is build around a 16f690 the detection depth is very poor at the moment but I think that my problem is coil related. I'm going to try a DD coil just to see what is happening. The discrimination works great, I want to programme it to have a learning mode and I will go for the 16f877A to do all that fancy stuff. Right now all that I want to achieve is a simple to build detector for our members that do not have a lot of cash to spend and for those that do not have much experience in electronics, but by the same token I also want it to be able to detect a coin at a reasonable depth (No point in building something that don't work)       

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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2012, 12:14:58 pm »
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I use a lot of the 16F, mainly 84, 73, and 856 -they do most of what I want. I also use the 18F8722 which runs at 40M and does a whole lot more. Good luck - it should be quite easy to do if you interface into the detector itself.

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18F8722 I never came across this one but I'll be suer to look it up

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