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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2013, 08:27:14 am »
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Not magnetize.
This fragment is alloy of copper and gold (gravity =11.2 g/cm3) . Iron only decrease gravity of alloy.

Posted on: April 30, 2013, 08:11:23 AM
Dear "homefire"!
You are right. When I have found this fragment, it had colour of tinned copper (as your patina).
But tarnished colour (light gray up to light-blue..
After immersing in a water solution of acid this fragment has got red colour .
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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2013, 12:49:24 pm »
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Red is a Good Color in the Gold World.    Yes Gold Can go red in Microscopic form.

Silver too.

Colloidal Gold or Silver can both be Red.

You can make Poor mans Nitric with Muriatic Acid and Chlorine Bleach.

DO NOT DO THIS WITH OUT GOING TO , Prospectors Basement Chemistry.

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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2013, 01:03:15 pm »
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If you take a copper coin and put it in vinegar it too will go read. I personally think that it's a fragment from an exploded war toy. looking at it again you can see that it's bend is towards the out side not only that but he has not found any other pieces, he probably will in a 200m radius. Why is it so heavy hell I don't know but I can assure you that there is no gold in a bomb shell or what ever shell it may have been.     

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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2013, 01:07:37 pm »
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I think it's a fuse from a Round that went down Range.

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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2013, 01:19:58 pm »
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That could very well be

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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2013, 01:25:11 pm »
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Dear Xavier!
May be You are right. But how explain high density (gravity) = 11.2 g/cm3?
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« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2013, 01:55:27 pm »
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That's the part that get us all. It could be that they used some special alloy of some sort but you your self said that the streak was very greasy and that's what copper dose. If you place some battery acid on the streak it should go away if it's copper, better yet would be some ferric chloride. If it was a statue you would have found more splinters and the bent would have been inwards not out.

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« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2013, 03:43:40 pm »
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Spec Gravity is not a absolute.

It is just a bench mark on what is out there.

It could be Iron, Lead , Bismuth, Copper, Gold, Silver or all in Combination.

It is NOT a Absolute.

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« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2013, 11:32:56 pm »
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Dear Xavier!
2 days ago I found new splinters (near first splinter -5 meters). But are iron items and have interest form.
Here are attached some images.
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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2013, 03:49:30 am »
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Dear Xavier!
  Excuse me. Once again. You wrote "  .... I personally think that it's a fragment from an exploded war toy."
Some history.
 In time of II world war there was dislocated specialized German mountain regiment. Those militaries investigated archaeological and geological  (uranium rocks) properties of the mentioned place. After Russian occupy West Ukraine and deport local population. Here was very secret military(or army) object.
Therefore (maybe) all those splinters are as fragments of military (army) machine (as result of crash or explosion).
Is necessary inspect more wide area (radius 100 m) .
But it is not safe ..................  and is not interesting for me. I want to find gold or silver .........
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Posted on: May 01, 2013, 02:02:35 AM
Dear "homefire"!
You wrote "..It could be Iron, Lead , Bismuth, Copper, Gold, Silver or all in Combination. ".
But all of those (excluding Gold, Lead, Silver etc) elements have low density than gold and therefore not have influence at percentage of gold..
If their density is less  than density of copper then percentage of gold in alloy will be increased ( my logical conclusion).

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Posted on: May 01, 2013, 02:17:07 AM
You wrote "If it was a statue you would have found more splinters and the bent would have been inwards not out.
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Probably you are not right. But .......
That is a not military toy, it is visible at two images. Most likely it is a fragment statuette.
On the first image are visible a longitudinal deepenings (CC) as on any figure of stauette.
On the second image is visible a lateral side (FF),  instead of bend after explosion .

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