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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2012, 12:52:40 pm »
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taz42o, those were excellent references on the subject. I have often wondered who made the steam shovels. gambol Great

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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2012, 09:19:43 pm »
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Hi guys, Well, it's been soaking for a few days in vinegar now and I've also used a steel brush on it. Here are some updated photos- still have some work to do but I'm getting closer.

By the way, the 3rd photo is a U.S. WWII Pick Axe Trench Tool cerca 1945.  Very similar, no?

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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2012, 06:11:10 am »
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WWII Pick Axe Trench Tool cerca 1945.  Very similar, no?

No matter what the item is called on the page where you found it, it's still a pick/mattock. Not a pick axe. A pick axe has the blade turned 90 degrees from that image.

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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2012, 08:41:59 am »
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ok, pick mattock it is!  Great

At this point, I'm trying to date it and since it is so similar to the cerca 1945 photo I posted, I would guess it is from that era?

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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2012, 09:20:43 am »
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You may want to have a go with Electrolysis.    Without some makings to look at I would not venture as to it's age.



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« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2012, 10:44:00 am »
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At this point, I'm trying to date it and since it is so similar to the cerca 1945 photo I posted, I would guess it is from that era?

They really haven't changed much in 400 years or so. Dating it is going to be hard without some sort of visible manufacturer's mark. When you get it cleaned, concentrate on the sides of the oval at the center and see if you can make out any stamped information.

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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2012, 02:26:09 pm »
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AlbyM, Not similar, The blade width to pick length is different and notice the blade of the army one has a neck on it. Also you will see the hole in yours is smaller and round. That is why I think it may be a special tool or possibly one of a kind hand  forged.....There are many ways to forge pick axes or pick mattocks. One is to fold a bar around a mandrel to make the hole and then forge the ends into a blade and point, Sometimes the blade is welded on after the pick is forged.  the other  is to forge a point and blade on a bar and punch a hole in it. The former was used by Blacksmiths for generations, the latter is how machine forged picks are made since the advent of power forges. If it was made by a blacksmith, chances are you will find a weld line that passes through the hole and up the point. If it was machine forged and punched it will have no weld line. If you want to clean it up good enough to see the weld line use electrolysis. Pgill and others have described how to set it up on this board. gambol

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That is why I think it may be a special tool or possibly one of a kind hand  forged...

This is no longer a mystery. It IS a pick/mattock. As you pointed out, there are more ways to make one than can be counted on one hand but no matter how it is made, it is a pick/mattock by its design.

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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2012, 10:19:15 pm »
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I'm the one who identified it, mate.


I stand Corrected , and yes you were.

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« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2012, 08:36:45 am »
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GD, It,s a pick mattock for sure but as the link you posted shows there are many different designs and this one is yet different from those. I want to see it when its cleaned up. 

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