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« on: June 04, 2010, 06:05:26 pm »
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Found in 1987, near where two Spanish Conquistador expeditions were made, the first in 1719, the second in 1720. The curator of the American Numismatic Assn museum, said it was pre-1746, and is Spanish Colonial object, not sure what it was, he thought perhaps since the expeditions had both padres section and soldier section, that perhaps it was some kind of gambling object, but that was just a guess.

He took this photo at high resolution, and submitted to various Spanish Colonial people, but none of them had ever seen such an object, but agreed it was Spanish Colonial.
Please notice the Spanish swords, and the initials, and the large "P" stamping, and some faint other markings.

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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2010, 06:11:42 pm »
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look's like a spanish cob but hard to say for sure check here

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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2010, 06:26:51 pm »
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No, it is not a Spanish Cob, it is no known Spanish Colonial coin, that is what the experts told me. perhaps if I put in a larger photo for you...

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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2010, 06:36:17 pm »
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Have a look around the link i posted ,There are many diffrent catagorie's of coin's not just cob's ,,,If the expert's have seen your coin how come they could not identify it ?

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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2010, 06:55:09 pm »
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Can we see the other side, and also if you can make a rubbing of both sides we will be able to see more detail.

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When you next photograph it, try turning off the flash. That should bring out more detail.

Be ready for this. Your coin expert might be wrong on this one. Just be open minded.

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also keep in mind that a good scanner will often produce better coin photos for an amatuer than will a camera, especially if you don't have a tripod and/or haven't got really comfortable with your camera.....so you might want to go that route.

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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2010, 11:40:18 am »
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Can we see the other side, and also if you can make a rubbing of both sides we will be able to see more detail.


I did not photograph it, I live in Colo Springs, where the American Numismatic Assn is located, and I knew the curator of that outfit, they have the equipment to photograph it, and on the reverse side, is nothing, it is plain metal there. And they could not identify it, as it is different from any known Spanish Colonial object known. So they photographed it, and sent copies of the photograph to various Spanish Colonial experts. That is what they told me. I posted it to see in anyone else had seen anything like it anyware.

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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2010, 11:46:41 am »
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Well if that's the case I don't think its Spanish Colonial. It doesn't look hammered to me but molded, would still like to see the other side so could tell for sure.
Did you make this find?

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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2010, 12:03:18 pm »
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Well if that's the case I don't think its Spanish Colonial. It doesn't look hammered to me but molded, would still like to see the other side so could tell for sure.
Did you make this find?


Yes I did. It is Spanish Colonial. It is not molded, it is hammered. Someone melted some metal, then hammered a stamp into it. A few blocks away, from where I found it, was where the Spanish Padres camped during two expeditions to the Colo Springs area, the first in 1719, the second in 1720. They found some Spanish Colonial crufixes in late 1880's, but they disappeared shortly afterward, my relic is purportedly the only known find from that era that has not been lost so far. The American Numismatic Assn is the headquarters for the coin collectors across the United States, and they have authenication experts there to verify and validate coins, it is just that this one defies their knowledge, as it is different from anything else found. They said the padres camped at one location, and perhaps the soldiers camped nearby, which would explain the find 2 blocks away from the first find of the crufixes.

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