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« on: June 02, 2013, 09:21:44 am »
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My son and I just finished some hunts at VB. Here are a couple of items we would like to know more about.

They were both under water and sand at Virginia Beach, VA.

The Iron spike head is textured and/or weathered in a way that it resembles wood grain.
The spoon is in the nickel/gold/pull-tab range.  Definitely gold-tone (see picture with quarter).
So far, we are unable to find a solid ID on the makers mark (J.S in a diamond shape).

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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2013, 09:33:59 am »
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The spoon is in the nickel/gold/pull-tab range.

This is completely irrelevant and should not be an issue related to identification. There is no such thing as a maker's mark on silverware. It's just too common. Use the term touchmark and silver in a Google search for results. Here is a typical result:

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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2013, 10:04:56 am »
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Interesting points...not sure I understand the relevance.  I am open to all input.

For instance, the very web-page you link to says in the large letters...

"HALLMARKS OF ENGLISH SILVER
MAKER'S MARK IDENTIFICATION - ILLUSTRATED LISTING"

seems like these are maker's marks, and I looked through this and several similar pages to find the J.S in a diamond shape.  No dice.

As for the type of metal for the spoon, nickel/aluminum/gold  (not silver), how is this NOT relevant?

Again, I'm new in this forum, so I am open to redirect.

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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2013, 02:08:01 pm »
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I would think that your spoon is made of brass and was probably silver plated at one stage. As for the spike it is very common to find them in that condition, the interesting thing is that this spoon and spike could have come from a ship wreck, I would continue to look in the area.  According to my research VS would stand for Victorian Silver but what you have there aint Victorian silver. Then there is Vintage Stirling and that is not it either. But what I did think that you had was a spoon made by Jason Swann & Son but I was wrong what you have is a spoon made by John Sutter from Liverpool here is the link

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Hallmarks versus touchmarks is simple. If an item is all silver or pewter plated with silver, the silversmith can put a hallmark on it. Hallmarks are licensed by the crown in England. Touchmarks go on all other items when a manufacturer wants to identify itself with the piece. Not normally done for anything less than silverplate or pewter though. Your silverware has a touchmark.

Posted on: June 03, 2013, 12:56:21 AM
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Again, I'm new in this forum, so I am open to redirect.

No redress intended. Just sharing years of experience is all. An auction house can explain it to you if you need pictures. Otherwise, just take my word for it.

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Thanks for the input.  I checked out this and other pages and there are so many JS variants, and none of them in a diamond shape. 
How did you decide that it was that particular maker?

 

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Thanks for taking the time to explain.  I am learning more and more.

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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2013, 08:39:35 pm »
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I think your spoon is nickle plated brass in fact I would bet money on it. It is also not very old from the looks of it.  As for the touchmark you need to be looking at modern makers who often change their marks every few seasons so they can date and keep track of inventory.   

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Thanks for the input.  I checked out this and other pages and there are so many JS variants, and none of them in a diamond shape.
How did you decide that it was that particular maker?

JS was probably JS. Another one coming along might use his middle initial as well making it JAS or something like that. As Seldom said, they dated their work by changing minor things with their touchmark. He's most likely right. Brass with nickel or silver plate. Some kid probably brought it to the beach to dig and lost it.

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