Treasure of Apache Chief Victorio

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BA There is one thing I have learned researching treasure legends over many years is that not to let egos get in the way of research. There is many times I have been wrong it is nature of this type of research. The day you let ego overlook the facts then its time to do some thing else.

Seldom: I had once toyed with the idea that the alleged treasure of VP was of Mexican civil war origin. The more reading up and excellent feed back on the subject the more I tend to believe the treasure was Chief Victorios. We have independant historical and archeological evidence to support chief Victorio being near the peak in a time of battle and the later battle where all involved in hiding the treasure was killed. I agree with you it does make sense.

One thing I am sure of the treasure a VP has nothing to do with Maximillion.

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Where did the Apaches get it?   And why did they have it, especially in such relatively large quantities?    Not much record of Native Americans north of central Mexico using gold--Copper, yes; And silver, especially after contact with the Europeans, but not gold.

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	because it removes the possibility of the treasure being Spanish.

Or at least removes the possibility of the treasure being hidden from the Spanish.  It does not mean that at least some of it did not come from Spanish mines in Northern Mexico or Southern Arizona.    It does, however, go a long way to explaining the mixed nature of the reported treasure.

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	Well except for La Rue I don't believe the Spanish cached much treasure that they did not recover later

Yeah, but if the Apaches or the Yaquis or any of the other tribes did manage to take out a pack train or two running the regular shipments from the mines to Mexico City and stash it, that would explain the bars with Spanish markings and would be a basis for all the "Spanish" caches.    (It would even explain why so many are near waterholes since that's where the Spaniards would have camped and got waylaid if the purpose was to deny the Spanish/Mexicans/Americans from having the gold and to discourage them from coming back).   Easy to spin all the modern legends of Spanish treasure caches and treasure signs from those little kernels and a "wee bit" of imagineering.

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O  they knew the value of gold to Europeans they used gold to guide the Spanish early on.
In my opinion legends like the 7 citys of gold, creeks with nuggets as big as goose eggs  etc were just stories the Indians told Spanish to keep them moving.
Victorio was born around 1825 and died in 1880 so its doubtful he ever raided a Spanish pack train, but he could have been adding to a cache that had been used for years by other chiefs. Its like the legends of the guns used at the Little Big Horn, some historians think that if they are found they will be part of a much larger Indian cache.

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