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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2010, 06:52:31 am »
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Hello

Thank You will do.

I have been studying this for some time. I thought my hopes were shattered. But now i have new expectations.

There are so many kinds of coax (coaxial) cable and coax connectors it will take some time to get the right combination.

Will let you know how things go.

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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2010, 02:30:00 am »
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Brian, the splitter is the problem in your diagram. It's designed for use on a system that is in the Megahertz range while your detector is in the Kilohertz range. Sadly, it will block your signal entirely. Secondly, since shielded cables are scatter wound to provide an effective blanket style of grounding, you will never be able to calculate your windings nor will you be able to drive it without using a FET.

Coax is just not practical for a coil. Thus, I will repeat that it will not work.

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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2010, 08:30:07 am »
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I am beginning to think so.  They just don't make a low impedance coax coil unless you want a 2 in diameter coax at 12.5 ohms.

I think i am going to switch to a litz wire and start small on a 1 meter coil.

I am still going to build a small coax coil just to see what happins (10in coil)

am i right that a pi detector is a electromagnetic field generator and not a radio frequency generator?

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I have elimidated all thoughts of connectors and have gone with hard wire (solder) all connections
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2010, 04:54:16 pm »
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It is a radio transmitter in the audio range. By default, it generates a field like any radio does. It is a focused field based on the design of the coil and the type of coil. Coaxial, Coplanar, Double D, Double Loop and Mono Loop are all typical types. Some experimenting with multiple smaller coils has been done to some success.

The theory of operation with a PI machine is that the pulse is generated and then turned off. It radiates into the surrounding area and any metal object that is irradiated by the field will develop eddy currents. In the case of ferrous material, the field will be aligned inside of the object and will radiate a very faint signal back to the coil. Non ferrous materials will develop eddy currents on the surface and radiate a slightly stronger and slightly delayed signal back to the coil.

Despite claims to the contrary, discrimination of a PI signal is easily done but the design and use of the detector means that it has always been an all metal machine. The depth of return on a PI machine is less than a VLF/TR machine so they are more commonly used for discriminating type detectors. It's the usage of the machine that causes manufacturers to keep the features low on PI, not the technology.

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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2010, 08:40:13 pm »
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What is the usual hertz for a pi detector. ( minelab F1A4 mine/metal P I detector i have tried to contact minelab but receive no reply)

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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2010, 08:27:24 am »
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The PI does not use a sign wave that can be related to a audio signal.

It emits a Pulse Wave that is short in duration and separated by a pause .

Read this write up on your basic PI detector and you will see.   Wise

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The PI does not use a sign wave that can be related to a audio signal.

It emits a Pulse Wave that is short in duration and separated by a pause .

Read this write up on your basic PI detector and you will see.   Wise


I don't recall anyone discussing a sine wave here. Only pulses. But those are good documents to have. Thanks for posting them.

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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2010, 11:38:50 pm »
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Man am I blind as a bat, I thought you wanted the coax to run from the coil, not the coil itself. Don't use what I said to build a coil with the stuff, wasting your time, like they said. What is your reasoning behind it that made you want to try it?

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Man am I blind as a bat, I thought you wanted the coax to run from the coil, not the coil itself. Don't use what I said to build a coil with the stuff, wasting your time, like they said. What is your reasoning behind it that made you want to try it?


This may sound a bit odd but often the original question comes about because the person asking it has a large roll of that kind of wire and wants to put it to use. There's no other reason in theory or practice to use shielded cable as an antenna, which is what a coil is when used on a metal detector. The last time we had this fellow with a huge roll of CAT5 computer cable he wanted to wind into a coil.

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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2010, 09:21:29 pm »
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cat 5 is do- able though, but  I see your point. Years ago I saw one that you could make that only had about 6 turns of wire and you had to feed the wire in a tube and then solder the wire ends (12) to make it seem as though it was wrapped without breaks. Before cat 5 was invented. I wonder? Na.

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