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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2014, 10:20:27 am »
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Hi ,
how are you Mr Eugene and you Mr Xavier

what Eugene said is true cause I build two TGS "Ligth"  with different compenents ,and I found both PCBs too ligth and i have the same problem in the -5 v conveter block .
whene I cheked the operating frequency I get it rigth 14.45 Khz Tx signal, but that oscillator have a negative effect on the conveter block " its current can't be controlled as well as it may.
now I can say that rigth frequency 14.45 khz tx of TGS"Ligth" can possibly not sure control the -5 v converter block to provides -5v or relatively close value.
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I get -6.45 cause I my TGS "Ligth" is too Light .
here I would share with you this different schematics .
I dont know if you wont to look at different using compenents .
and there is another shematic of IGSL , we can see that sinus signal can be controlled I dont know if we can make the same thing with TGSL.
thanx Mr Eugene and Mr Xavier
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Posted on: September 08, 2014, 10:05:03 am
HI
I forget the IGLS schematic.
there is one more important this that whene we change the Cx 22 nf attached to the Tx coil we can make a small change in the  converting -5 v.
in my case I attach cx 20 nf to the Tx coil and the -6.27 v  becomes -6.45 v ,so it means that the problem in oscillator block and not in the -5 v converter block .
many thanx ...
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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2014, 12:19:16 pm »
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Possibly look at the 4th or 5th band of your resistors.  Maybe you both are putting in a larger tolerance value.  Your both are only off by a volt and half.  I don't think it is a circuit board lay out.  If Xavier built three previous ones without problems, same layout and board configuration, then definitely it is a component change.  Tolerance either with the chip or putting in a different tolerance value of resistor.  Maybe a Cap value.

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OK but can you tell me witch compenent,
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« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2014, 12:52:25 pm »
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Check R9,11,12,18.  Make sure the correct voltage is coming out of U100(?, I got bad eyes so that's what I see) pin 12.   Also you have a half regulator with Tr 7 and 8, check the output voltages off the collector end. Make sure that you didn't get the NPN messed up with a PNP and vise versa with the 2N2222

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« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2014, 01:53:28 pm »
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Quote:Posted by OregonDirtFisher
Possibly look at the 4th or 5th band of your resistors.  Maybe you both are putting in a larger tolerance value.  Your both are only off by a volt and half.  I don't think it is a circuit board lay out.  If Xavier built three previous ones without problems, same layout and board configuration, then definitely it is a component change.  Tolerance either with the chip or putting in a different tolerance value of resistor.  Maybe a Cap value.
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I think you are right.
TGSL is one of the most documented projects on geotech.
And there are hundreds been build with success.
I also think its  components orientation or value that create the problem.
If you can post a CLEAR close up picture of both sides of your bard we may be able to help.


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« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2014, 02:39:05 pm »
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Can you confirm that your meaning micro farad instead of nano farad for Cx 22 and Cx 20? or (nf) as you wrote it.  If your putting in a nF instead of uF that maybe your issue.  Can someone with better eyes than me read the schematic or at least verify Numis's translation?

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« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2014, 06:49:01 pm »
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Yes 22 nf is the correct value on the schematic, on the other TGSL that I build I had a bit more than the -5v but no where near the -6v that the others are getting. I wonder if it's not transistor related? I use the TO18 type and not the TO92 for the 2n2222 and the 2n2907. 

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Make sure the E,B,C order of 2n2222  is correct and not reversed .

I agree with everyone else, please check resistor and capacitor values with a LCR meter .

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« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2014, 07:11:07 pm »
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Yes the TO18 package is CBE and the TO92 is EBC (TO18 = Metal can, TO92 = plastic)

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Yes the TO18 package is CBE and the TO92 is EBC (TO18 = Metal can, TO92 = plastic)


It's interesting to note that you are using a metal can transistor in this day and age.  Smiley Not as easy to find these days.

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