Is there Gold in fools Gold
beaks:
too true, that stuff can kill you and any other animal that comes into contact with it.
it's kinda sad that some people leave a poisonous mess when they recover/extract PM's when they can keep it clean in the first place with a little effort.
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Homefire:
Yep! Heap leach was the time of day.
But it worked !
They put a hard layer under the stuff and drowned it.
This has little to none to do with the thread.
Back in the 80's life was good!
They Roasted the Pyrites,Ball milled it to a powerder.
Leached it!
They made some serious money at the time.
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beaks:
hate to say it but i still do it the old school way too but i dont contaminate the environment with my operations (i go with small scale in containers)
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daddio:
Quote:Posted by beakswrong answer i find it all the time and i really dont appreciate being called a liar in a public forum.
i dont get my information from google but i do post links that people may use and will continue to do so.
im just curious when is the last time you found any gold other than at a gold show in someones display case?
i find it and i do it in the good ole USA the last nugett was over 5 ounces and i find flour every time i go out not to mention the gold and silver ore (among other minerals)that i have stacked up here from hardrock mining.(that includes Arsenopyrite found in texas)
i dont know you and dont know what your qualifications are but if you believe your statement in quotes i would say you need to slow down on your wannabe geologist attitude and get outside and do some real mining so you can see for the real world for yourself.
i get mine and and plenty of it, thats all that matters to me, know-it-all's and wannabe's are the least of my worries
First off, nobody called you or anyone else a liar. Second, the last time I found gold was yesterday. I have 180 acres on 4 claims and they are in the good ole USA. I have gold from a display case no doubt. I buy gold specimens from as many different places as I find to be unique, and that isn't a bad thing is it? I can say that I have gold from about 50 different locations around the world, and display them at Gem and Mineral shows. I'm far from a wannabe geologist. I don't have a degree, but I have taken courses at LSU's Field School, School of Mines in Colorado,and CU Boulder Colorado. Better still though, I have been actively gold prospecting for over 23 years. I'm no wannabe with zero education in prospecting. I was the president of the Gold Prospectors of Colorado for 12 years out of the 21 years I have been in the club, and am one of only few life members. That doesn't mean a thing other than I am active in prospecting. You say you weren't reading anything from Google. OK, maybe not Google, but you were pretty much going line for line from the link you had posted, and it gives the impression that you were maybe looking something up online and then quoting what you had found. If not then OK, but seeing the same thing on your post as was written in the link made me think so. Finally, there are maybe 3 occurences of Arsenopyrite shown in the Field Guide of Rocks and Minerals, and each of them are in active mines. So when I said there are no occurences in the USA, I was speaking of what the average person would come across while out looking for rocks, minerals, or gold. I don't know where you are in Texas, but there are some fields of occurence in Mexico and so I don't doubt there being some in Texas. As a whole though, people aren't going to go out and find Arsenopyrite, whether that is relevant to this discussion or not. The question was simply stated, "Is there gold in fools gold?" Taking that to the enth degree by saying you and a friend or what ever found tons of gold in a pile of crushed Arsenopyrite or whatever else is really taking that question and stretching it out just for the sake of being able to say, "Oh yeah? Well we found it in Texas and so there." OK, you found gold in Arsenopyrite. You found Arsenopyrite in Texas. Yes there is gold in Arsenopyrite that you found. None the less, the simple and basic answer to the question asked is - NO. Stretch it out any way you want to to say there is if that is what makes you happy, but do you really think that makes the answer to the original question YES? Will that guy go out and find gold in every pyrite find? Does every type of pyrite have gold in it every time it is found? Will the average joe go out and find gold every time he finds pyrite?
All I was saying in the first place was, if you don't stretch this out to the furthest degree, then the answer to your question is no.
Quote:Posted by homefireArsenic is a leach agent of gold.
It only stands to reason that Mother Nature would have carried some in the process.
I sure don't want to start another back and forth off topic, but, are you sure it was maybe cyanide you were talking about and not arsenic? The main process for removing gold from ore is cyanidation using a heap leaching process. It was/is cyanide that is used to leach out metals, and arsenic is one of the metals leached out. There was no use for the arsenic, so it was left to stand in the trash heaps after the gold and any other precious metals had been removed. The arsenic, being heavier in specific gravity than the host rock, then worked it's way down the heap and eventually deposited into the aquifer beneath the ground and also into surface waters. Current regulations and standards closely monitor escape of any water into the ground or even runoff from the heap area after a rain or whatever. Here in Cripple Creek, Colorado the local milling operation (Cripple Creek and Victor Mining) produces water at the end of the process that is more pure than the drinking water that runs through the taps of almost any city in the USA. They finish off the process in a huge building with what looks like a water slide. They use pecan shells, peach and apricot pits, basically burned into a charcoal, to get the gold which is in a liquified state to attach to it (adsorption). Then they used a kind of electroplating process to collect the gold onto a large strip of metal. After all this, they melt the collected gold and pour it into a cone that you can hold in your hands (after cooling of course). Hundreds of thousands of tons of ore, crushed, leached, water slided, electroplated, and finally - a beautiful cone of gold that only weighs mere pounds. I do want to acknowledge that there is a fairly new process where they do use arsenic and sulfides to leach out gold from ores that resist the cyanide leaching. I don't think this process was around long enough for the Peru Hill Mill to have been affected.
Once again, I am not trying to sound like a know it all. I did know Mr. Know It All, but I ain't him. I'm only responding in the hope that the new guy doesn't walk away totally confused enough to just throw in the towel and quit prospecting before he gets past the first few weeks or so.
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Graywolfs:
Well here it goes, Thank you guys for all your input on this matter ( is there Gold in fools Gold ) here's what i think i got out of it. There is no Gold in fools Gold, But there maybe gold found in the same area. as I told you all before I well be going up to that tailing and get samples from the dirt below it to see if any Gold came lose from all those rocks, when i get done I well post it on here. Everyone seems to be very knowledgeable and i do thank you one and all, I have gotton very good feed back, I have a open mined and always learning, thanks again Your friend in Prospecting Graywolfs
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ecviggy:
I've been a part time "rookie" prospector for several years now. I see fools gold all over, but was taught that an easy way to tell if it's pyrite or gold, is gold won't lose it's luster in the shade and pyrite will. I've tried it and seems to work. Lemme know if that is wrong. I'm by no means an experienced prospector, but do like the hobby. Also like GPPA and have been a member for 2 years.
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Graywolfs:
Thank you Ecviggy, I been with GPPA for two years also Good luck. Graywolfs
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Hobbyist:
Here's what I got out of this interesting discussion (and a bit of searching): there MAY be gold in the piece of pyrite that you found.
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has some nice photos.
As most of us probably do not have an electron microscope sitting in the kitchen, one would have to be content with yelling, "I found gold (maybe)! I just can't see it!" :)
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Graywolfs:
That was very ineresting, Thank you Hobbyist
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Hobbyist:
Every year, I get at least 10 samples from over-excited people. They think they found gold, and when I tell them it's iron pyrite, their reactions are usually of disbelief mixed with severe disappointment, sometimes anger.
The attached photo is of some samples received about 6 hours ago. I no longer bother to explain to them WHY it is pyrite. They are free to take it to any goldsmith's or metallurgical lab for a 2nd opinion, and they can pay the fees to hear the same answer they got for free from me. ;D
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