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« on: September 17, 2010, 07:01:10 am »
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Hello All

Here is a Mystery of sorts.

In a very remote bay on the tip of Cape York Peninsular an old coin was found on a beach.

It was Voc coin dated 1787.

Australia was settled in 1788. How did this coin get to the lonely beach. Was it dropped by a sailor or was it from a shipwreck?

One of the mysteries of the Torres Strait.

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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2010, 02:53:44 pm »
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Hardluck . Did you find out  any more about the Torres coin .  Cornelius

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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2010, 06:18:39 am »
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Hello Cornelius

Sadly I did not find out much more. The Coin was allegedly found near Somerset an abandoned settlement in the north of cape york. The site was founded by Frank Jardine who had big plans to turn the north into another Singapore.

The small colony never lasted very long it folded after his death. However for a time it was fairly active location with colonial ships calling in. The was an extensive pearl shell trade for a time there. Where they had a mixed bag of divers living there from all over south east Asia. So it possible it was taken there by one of them.

I am no expert on VOC ship movements. I do not think that the Dutch east indies companies were using the Torres strait to sail to the Spanish in South America around that date of the coin at least. Because most of the Spanish ports there was closed to foreign trade until 1821. The only trade allowed was via the Manila galleon and most trading was done with the Spanish via manila.

However I think it possible VOC after 1821 after the fall of the Spanish vice royalty there, tried to establish a trade route from Batavia to Peru via Mexico. It could be possible the coin came from a later shipwreck post 1821?

But a single coin does not constitute evidence for a shipwreck either.

But perhaps you may know a lot more about shipping movements of the region?

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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2010, 01:49:38 pm »
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Hardluck . I will do some more research on the area . You got me going on this one !  Cornelius

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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2010, 02:53:00 pm »
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It was Voc coin dated 1786.

Australia was settled in 1788. How did this coin get to the lonely beach. Was it dropped by a sailor or was it from a shipwreck?

Do you stop using coins that are not dated 2010? If you look in your pocket, my guess is you'll find a few from the 1980s in there. When I was a kid in the 1950s, we'd find the occasional Indian Head penny in our pocket dated in the late 1800s. It's not really any mystery finding a coin dated before the continent was settled. A puzzle, perhaps, but not an issue for historical upheaval.

I'd be truly shocked to find a coin dated 2067 today and would love to shake the hand of the time traveler who dropped it.

By the way, if you do stop using coins dated before 2010, save them up and when you get a few thousand put aside, send them to me.

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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2010, 04:10:07 pm »
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GD I see your point that the date of the coin does say maen it was dropped on the shores of Cape York on that date. It could of been a hundred year old coin when lost?

Not earth shattering discovery.

But there is a possibility It might be connected to the Mystery shipwreck found around 1900 by one of Jardine's Pearl Lugger captains on Boot reef.

My interest is to see if VOC actually used the Torres strait as a trade route.

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Get into the queue, mate! It's a long one.

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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2010, 06:30:43 am »
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After a little research it seem that was it impossible for VOC to open up a new trade route in the last declining years of its existence 1798-1803 with Spain's colonies in South America. Because the ports in South America was only open to Spanish Shipping and closed to foreign shipping until about 1822.

There would be no point in VOC ships using the Torres Strait. There is no reason for a VOC ship being there. The Coin is more looking like a souvenir picked up perhaps in Batavia and eventually lost at Someset on the Cape York peninsular.

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Hardluck, do you have any idea who found the coin?

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2010, 05:03:29 pm »
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The picture of the  DOIT  ( DUIT) is not correct . The doit was different . I don't know where it came from but it was not one of the  doits used by the VOC .  Cornelius

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