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	1812 Buttons USA « on: October 09, 2009, 03:47:21 PM »

I have never had an opinion of the buttons I have found over the years from 1812, so I have taken some close up's of the US buttons, these were all found on Canadian soil, there are two I would like to get info on one is possibly British as you will see the three legged motive from the Isle onf Man I can't find the reg that it belongs to, the other is not abutton it is the Eagle clutching arrows and it is some kind of badge made of pewter,in excellent shape .
As you can see the conditions are from very good to poor pewter is suceptable to disease from ground salts you guys in the US could probably tell me something about these..........HH....Johnnn

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	Re: 1812 Buttons USA « Reply #1 on: October 15, 2009, 04:10:13 PM »

I would like to have some feed back from U S guy's re these buttons I find them occasionally at our 1812 sites...........HH ........Johnnn

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	Re: 1812 Buttons USA « Reply #2 on: March 20, 2010, 01:38:09 PM »

I wish I knew more about buttons from that era.. one thing I can say, that is one fantastic collection of very old buttons. Most TH'ers I know would give up an eye tooth for the chance to dig even just one!!!!!! Congradulations. ( I not jelous...much!)

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	Re: 1812 Buttons USA « Reply #3 on: March 21, 2010, 11:28:27 PM »

Johnn, the 3 legged emblem is definitely from the Isle of Man. Not only is the emblem correct, but the legend around it is also correct.

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It's possible that there was not a major unit from the Isle of Man present, but perhaps an officer from there had purchased a commission in another unit. I'll keep looking.

As for the eagle button, every indication that I've found indicates that it came from the 5th Infantry Regiment (though not the current 5th Infantry Regiment since that was not established until shortly after the war ended

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) . Can you give me an indication as to where these were found relative to the general fighting (i.e west near Detroit and Windsor, or in the Montreal area, or further east)? It is possible they could be a Pennsylvania regiment since I found records for a captain of the 5th Infantry Regiment - Pennsylvania in the vicinity of Erie.

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	Re: 1812 Buttons USA « Reply #4 on: March 22, 2010, 07:08:16 AM »

Hi B A,
There were 3 sites these came from two are now under pavement, one of these very prolific and sadly gone before we could find a good deal more
was the British siege lines behind Fort Erie.
The Brits laid siege to the U S occupiers who had captured the fort and annoyed them buy firing shot and shell into the fort until they "U S" had had enough and went out to drive them away this was a major confrontation with many dead on both sides but the U S prevailed.
This site was undiscovered up to 27 years ago when a few locals discovered it, "they" made some great finds as I had seen them myself. We then started to look this place over while it still remained almost a secret and did very well. Then one day we arrived and all the surface top soil was bulldozed away, this created two things one an op pertunity and a feeling of panic as these were the days before I had retired and could only get there on week ends, amazingly we found the building contrator and he was very co operative insisting only that we wore "hard hats and steel toe boots" then we had free range "boots were a bloody nuisance". This site now is un recognizable and is a sub division of nice houses and of course "private property"...The othe major site is now a golf course the 3rd is in Ontario and the location is generally not know so I would like to keep it that way although there is "creeping" urbanization coming its way.. HH...Johnnn

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	Re: 1812 Buttons USA « Reply #5 on: March 23, 2010, 12:02:17 AM »

Thanks, Johnnn. That gives me enough information to figure out which units would most likely be involved.

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Johnnn, I don't know if you've stumbled across this before or not, but it may help you figure out how the Isle of Man button got in your collection. It is a list of Manx-men known to have served in the British army prior to 1850 and the units they were known to have served with. All we need to do is determine which British units were in the area between 1812 and 1815....which is easy enough to do....and compare that list to this list. I'll start working through it tomorrow.

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http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/history/military/ms_1850.htm

(That still leaves the US 5th Regiment button, but I still think that one is doable too.)

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Johnn, I cross referenced the list of Manx soldiers to the list of British Regiments in North America that I found at

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. The most likely regiment, by far, for the Isle of Man button to be associated with is the 90th Foot Regiment (Perthshire Volunteers). The 90th Foot was at Kingston, Ontario in 1814. The second most likely would be the 1st Regiment (Royal Scots)

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	Re: 1812 Buttons USA « Reply #6 on: March 23, 2010, 07:29:21 AM »

B A , Thanks for this info I had no idea that so much could be learned about these Regm'ts thanks again, I have so many different regiments from the US that taking close ups of each one would require several postings, if this is of interest to anyone I would be willing to do it.....HH....Johnnn

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	Re: 1812 Buttons USA « Reply #7 on: March 25, 2010, 12:06:56 PM »

Sorry, Johnnn, I keep hitting roadblocks when it comes to researching the US 5th Regiment button---mostly because the entire US Army was restructured immediately after the War of 1812 (the modern 5th Infantry Regiment was officially formed on March 3, 1815).

However, I did find find the 5th Regiment of U.S. Infantry included in a list of regular US Army units serving in New York during the war of 1812. Since the person compiling the list say the information is from an army report dated 1 July 1814 that is in the Library of Congress, there has to be more information available if one really wants to find it.

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	Re: 1812 Buttons USA « Reply #8 on: March 25, 2010, 06:23:57 PM »

Hi B A , once again thanks this is so interesting and make these buttons come to life almost when reading about these regiments, great stuff..
HH...Johnnn

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