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« on: March 01, 2012, 07:44:14 am »
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Hello,

I was wondering since i see lots of skeptical people in regards to dowsing...and for that reason for some time now i am asking myself :

How in the world ancient people were finding,digging GOLD,SILVER ?.. In times when there was no technology just a hammer and a bolt  they dug mines and extracted gold and other precious metals. What did they use to do that?..How can you dig so much inside a mountain without knowing what is there? Just by intuition?
Also is a mistery to me how they could carve and move 2000 Ton stones (See: Baalbek,Lebanon) and other places.Some stones are so huge not even today the most modern cranes would not lift it moreover transport it for few hundred kilometres.
But not to depart from my subject of Dowsing...What?...and where from, comes Dowsing?
Does it not hold some ancient form of metal detecting..course with some missing elements lost end forgotten?

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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2012, 09:15:43 am »
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Dowsing as practiced today may have originated in Germany during the 15th century, when it was used to find metals. As early as 1518 Martin Luther listed dowsing for metals as an act that broke the first commandment  as occultism.

In 1662 dowsing was declared to be "superstitious, or rather satanic" by a Jesuit, Gaspar Schott, though he later noted that he wasn't sure that the devil was always responsible for the movement of the rod. In the South of France in the 17th Century it was used in tracking criminals and heretics. Its abuse led to a decree of the inquisition in 1701, forbidding its employment for purposes of justice.

A 1948 study tested 58 dowsers' ability to detect water. None of them were more reliable than chance.[19] A 1979 review examined many controlled studies of dowsing for water, and found that none of them showed better than chance results.[4]

In a study in Munich 1987–1988 by Hans-Dieter Betz and other scientists, 500 dowsers were initially tested for their "skill" and the experimenters selected the best 43 among them for further tests. Water was pumped through a pipe on the ground floor of a two-storey barn. Before each test the pipe was moved in a direction perpendicular to the water flow. On the upper floor each dowser was asked to determine the position of the pipe. Over two years the dowsers performed 843 such tests. Of the 43 pre-selected and extensively tested candidates at least 37 showed no dowsing ability. The results from the remaining 6 were said to be better than chance, resulting in the experimenters' conclusion that some dowsers "in particular tasks, showed an extraordinarily high rate of success, which can scarcely if at all be explained as due to chance ... a real core of dowser-phenomena can be regarded as empirically proven."

Five years after the Munich study was published, Jim T. Enright, a professor of physiology and a leading skeptic who emphasised correct data analysis procedure, contended that the study's results are merely consistent with statistical fluctuations and not significant. He believed the experiments provided "the most convincing disproof imaginable that dowsers can do what they claim,"stating that the data analysis was "special, unconventional and customized." Replacing it with "more ordinary analyses," he noted that the best dowser was on average 4 millimeters out of 10 meters closer to a mid-line guess, an advantage of 0.0004%, and that the five other good dowsers were on average further than a mid-line guess. The study's authors responded, saying "on what grounds could Enright come to entirely different conclusions? Apparently his data analysis was too crude, even illegitimate." The findings of the Munich study were also confirmed in a paper by Dr. S. Ertel, a German psychologist who had previously intervened in the statistical controversy surrounding the "Mars effect", but Enright remained unconvinced.

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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2012, 09:28:33 am »
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The common belief among scientists and skeptics alike (left brain dominant) is that the ancients were a stupid, superstitous bunch. That's called "being in denial". And things have not changed about their view of today's dowsers and long range locators (LRL's). Many of the miracles performed in ancient times were nothing more than dowsing, also known as divining.

"Ask and ye shall receive. Seek and ye shall find. Knock and it shall be opened unto you." What do you think this means? There is such an anti-religous sentiment among many people. Like the bumper sticker says "Jesus is coming, and is he ever pissed."    

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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2012, 10:05:30 am »
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The Old timers where anything but Ignorant on mineral deposits.

They knew and recognized known minerals and the forms they came in way before most people thought.

As Green staining on rocks indicated Copper, Black or Blue as possible Silver.

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