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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2010, 07:06:20 pm »
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   this stuff really can keep you up, it honestly does me.  i am looking forward to hearing more from all of you.  i'd rather lay awake unable to sleep trying to figure of the mysteries around me, than than lay awake thinking of the war.  i love hearing about these kind of things, keep them coming

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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2010, 06:46:33 am »
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Hello All

Luc once again thank you for the interesting posts as usual.

It is a very interesting  concept the strange rings called the Rings of Noah. There are many assumptions we can make of things like this. Local lore over time can romanticize the ordinary of items.

However looking through the eyes of an ex miner I see some things much more mundane than Celtic fertility rings or anchor points of Noah's arch. The following could be an explanation of some of them?

In 18th and 19th century small scale mines in Europe and United kingdom used a system of suspended rope tramways carrying buckets of ore down steep slopes in high mountain areas.

In the course of constructing these tramways anchor points, rings of iron or bronze would be used. Generally drilled into stone or large boulders to counteract the weight used when the bucket of ore is ferried down a suspended rope way. these rings vary in size and shape.

The last type I know of was used up until 1923 in Wales. unfortunately the system was not efficient for modern mines for haulage of ore. But simple one for small mines in the 18th and 19th centuries. The system of hauling minerals from high places was developed from an much earlier system used by the Romans.

Evidence of this system can still be seen in abandoned gold mines the Romans worked in the 2nd or 3rd century century in South Wales today. Manganese silver, Gold, Iron and Copper in early medieval workings this way in high mountains.

Perhaps this is a possible explanation of some of these mysterious ring in high mountain places?

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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2010, 07:13:13 am »
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Hi Harluck,

Thanks for your comment and idea. I have read also this morning that on the Right Bank of the Rh?ne, in the passage said about the tap, there it holes in walls conscripts also rings of the flood, these holes are sharpened in the stone and have a footprint patinated on their low part, they acted as moorings of boats taking back up the Rh?ne. To see link PDF closes properly (unfortunately for you in Frenchman).

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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2010, 08:53:01 am »
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Hi Hardluck

The rings that you have so kindly posted to us are ridged but are they all like that? On a mooring the rings are free to move but that dose not mean that these rings (posted by Luc) were not used for some sort of pulley system.

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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2010, 07:36:01 am »
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Hello Xavier

You make a good point.

Anchor points, rings of iron or bronze can vary from site to site depending on the engineering requirements of the site. Each site of where these rings are found should be studied to see if there was any past quarrying or mining activities. If not then perhaps there is another explanation of these rings.

A legend I once heard many years ago about a medieval punishment, perhaps Norman in origin? If two men was accused of the same crime but it could not be established who was the guilty party then the men would be subjected to "trial by strength"

It usually consisted of a remote mountain site or hilltop where the two men chained together on a long chain through to a anchor ring on a stone. It was a tug of war of who had the most strength to get the most chain to reach a sword to kill the other man. Whoever won was deemed innocent and freed. It was seen as an act of god by the medieval mind of the time. I cannot remember the old saying but it goes some thing like this "trial of the ring? "

However so was finding out who was a witch by tying them by hands and feet and throwing them in a pond. If they sank and drowned they were innocent. If they floated they were witches and was burned at the stake.

Not a good deal for all those concerned  Grin

However that could be another possible explanation of some of the rings?


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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2010, 07:48:59 am »
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Interesting stuff all Smiley I imagine each ring has a unique story to tell if it could. A good idea though looking at the history of each place and perhaps a clue to thier use. Definitely makes one think.   Smiley

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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2010, 09:29:27 am »
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Hello all,

More links concernings " The rings of the flood "

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read the paragraph below "Mare Nostrum"

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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2010, 12:09:47 pm »
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Hi Hardluck very interesting stuff you got there and I'm sure glad we don't live back in that era they did have some rather strange way's back then Floating,drowning,burning I must say good bunch of Christians.

Luc this is quite a bit of info. You do have some great museums in France there is a cathedral in France that was build in the 1700 or 1800 (I'm not sure of the date) a sculpture of an astronaut is on it did you here about it?     

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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2010, 01:21:16 pm »
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Hi Xavier,

Just ask Luc to find for you, your memory sucking good but the place was in Salamanca, Spain.

Very interesting   :Smiley

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 Grin Have to have this memory replaced it's starting to fail me. So any idea on how that got to be there? This is the kind of thing that stops me from sleeping at night "spooky" 

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