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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2010, 12:46:36 pm »
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Many thanks Peter for your finds ans pictures. Good topic.

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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2010, 01:37:15 pm »
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Idaho Jones,

Thanks for the reply, I have heard and been told that South Africa does look like parts of the USA and Australia Smiley The photo's show a place where a British artillery post was. In between the two walls that you see is where soldiers used to walk pretty much protected and also where they shot from. On the inside of the structure, it is in the shape of a horse shoe almost... The guns were sat in dug outs... I have added a diagram of what I am talking about. I hope that it is clear.

I also placed a photo of a Fort, there are a lot of these dotted around the country, but the condition of this one is still good.

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Thanks Luc, it is a great topic that Hardluck started.... I will try and add more to it.... Not take over, but show what this war was about  Wink Hardluck is very educated on this subject and seems to have studied it closely. I think together we can make this subject very interesting.

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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2010, 04:26:55 pm »
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Thanks for the diagram, it makes sense.

Soldiers like to sit in the shade with their backs against a solid wall like the bottom of that trench. This has a tendency to make loose things fall from trouser pockets, never know what you might find in there....  Wink

Definitely keep posting, nothing like having a source on site. I'm sure Hardluck won't mind at all Smiley

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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2010, 07:03:56 pm »
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Hello All

Idaho Jones, Pgill The terrains looks very similar to some parts of Australia too except with the sheep!

Pgill: .  I most likely incorrect with the weight of the coin. I was and still not sure if the coins minted in the final days of the treasury were coins for general circulation?

Thanks so much for the very interesting and amazing photographs. It really brings the history of the war and the people who went through it, alive again.

Here is Map from a book made in 1930's, the name of the book escapes my memory for the moment. It shows the locations  final days of treasury which was transported by train.

The other pictures are from different events during the war.

Once again thanks for the amazing photographs. Keep that up and I will be booking a ticket to South Africa. Grin

More newspaper articles to follow.

Hardluck  Wink

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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2010, 10:00:09 pm »
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Great collection of pictures, Peter.   You and Hardluck are really making this interesting and informative

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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2010, 10:57:31 pm »
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The story of the Boere has always been of great interest to me.
I am Rhodesian, but I can understand a lot of the Boer view, and what has happened to them since the 1800s.

This song and video have a "crash course" in some pieces of Boer War information.

While not a "Wikipedia article" or anything, it is pretty interesting.

And I good song, but I am biased as I am a Bok Van Blerk and Anton Myburgh fan.

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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2010, 03:59:37 am »
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Thanks guys,

Great photo's and the YouTube is also good.... De La Rey song was so criticized here, but as far as I am concerned, there were great people on both sides, and in the end was a war that in most instances should never have happened in the first place, i.e. GREED.
Some of the battles that were fought were of incredible tactics from both sides, and in fact changed the way war is fought.... I think the main one was not to go to battle in red  Grin
Guerrilla warfare was learnt very quickly and many became experts in it. Lots of learning took place which has changed the way in which future wars in Africa were fought.
Bush war is so different to any other type of war, it is not as they say a gentleman's war which the British thought they were in. In fact they found out the hard way, that to be a gentleman got you killed.
The Rhodesian war was also very much a bush war, but tactics were very much refined from lessons learnt. You want to win? then become like the bush.... in a sense you have to become like an animal fighting for survival....
There are some great books that you can read on all the African wars, but if you read the Boer and Rhodesian wars books, all else is pretty much the same.

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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2010, 05:42:39 am »
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Hello Peter

There was an old saying I got told by an old soldier about war

"Rich men start them, Poor men fight them!"

Perhaps one day we will learn the folly of our ways. Wink


Here is some more Newspaper documents and a map of block houses in the Transvaal

In 1915 there was a libel action regarding General Botha on unaccounted missing gold. Not quite the stuff of the legends but still a considerable haul if true. Wink

Another in 1902 article on the Boer generals were forgiven by the King. :Smiley

By 1906 the Treasure hunting boom had taken hold and con artists where already mining people for treasure. Grin

It just goes to show how quickly the real stories behind events can change into legends.

That why I find these legends so fascinating.

Hardluck.  Cool

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Thanks again Hardluck, you are a person with much information, a blessing Great

I can imagine what these guys went through in the Boer war, I was in the Rhodesian war, but we were much better off with better weapons and lots of food etc.... But it was still very bad. The Boers and the British during this war went through hell.

You will always find that somebody somewhere will make money out of a war, maybe by selling arms and ammunition, or as you say through corruption during or after the war. Someone will get rich.... Blood money  Amen

As anyone read the book "The Great Boer War" by Arthur Conan Doyle, he also is the guy who made Sherlock Holmes and Dear Watson famous.... If you are interested in the Boer war, it is a great book to get hold off. I think you can also get it in word format as a ebook for free, but dont shoot me if I am wrong  Round About

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Let's not forget that Winston Churchill used the Boer War to his advantage....and that directly or indirectly, the Boer War gave the world the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts/Guides.

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