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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2010, 09:04:11 pm »
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You know how it goes, someone says treasure and lots of folks show up with shovels and leave holes all over then the conservation crazies make it a park so no one can look. Wait a little longer all the governments will be selling off parks left and right as the monies run out  Wink

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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2010, 10:26:32 pm »
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In both senses is what is called the conservation of heritage! (Preserving the environment and also its wealth) is a joke language, I hope my English translation reflects the spirit of my mind. No no!

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2010, 06:35:25 am »
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Hello Luc and Idaho Jones

Unfortunately Heritage conservation orders can be a double edged sword they can be good and they can be bad. Commonsense needs to observed by both ends of the spectrum.

As  a kid belonging to a family that used to dig for sapphires, diamonds, zircon and rubies in alluvial gravels on the weekends on disused farm land. It was fun digging holes, sifting and screening gravel in a vain search to discover the big one. Never found that big one! But hey I still have to this day a Little pile of flawed poor quality gem stones as mementos , all with there own story to tell.

The holes that were dug would soon be filled as the next rains would refill them with gravel. But it didn't matter to us because of fun and thrill looking for gem stones. These fossicking areas where scattered all over the country. It was a chance for the everyday Jo and his family spend some time having picnics, swimming and having fun for free. And chance to perhaps to dream of finding a fortune.

However the powers to be could not bear to see the everyday Jo and his family thinking that one day they might be a winner. And progressively legislated these sites out of existence. This site of old abandoned farmland became an extension of a national park and digging for gems there had become a distant memory.

Some places of course should not be violated and protected. But some areas should be left to us dreamers. Grin

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2010, 08:27:29 am »
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I could not agree more Hardluck. Sadly many sites here are going the same way, every year there is a new primitive area (no vehicles allowed) or state park. And then to make it worse since money is tight they close them to access completely. How useless.

Perhaps one day the masses of humanity that never leave thier house yet feel they must "save the world" will forget about them and the dreamers can adventure again...  Wink

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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2010, 04:25:38 am »
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Hello All

Finally on the Topic of Lundy island treasures. there must be a mention of the amount of shipwrecks along the small rocky island. There have been countless wrecks recorded around the area. It can be appreciated that for the many hundreds of years of maritime activity before such records exist, the island was a considerable and effective hazard, and the true number of losses will never be known.

ALARM                   1877     12 Aug     Lundy Island     Watts, W.
ALBION                   1869     20 Mar     Lundy Island     unknown
ALERT                  1861      08 Oct    Lundy Island    Williams
ANN                   1848     02 Feb     Lundy Island     Richards
ANT                           1897     14 Jul     Lundy Island     unknown
ARCHELAUS              1849     07 Nov     Lundy Island     Boutelle
ARIEL                  1853    30 Apr    Lundy Island    Warren
ASHDALE                   1890     10 Sep     Lundy Island     Brown, J.
ASTERIAS                  1870    21 May    Lundy Island    unknown
AVON                 1855   15 May   Lundy Island   Moore, W.
BELINDA                   1869     06 Apr     Lundy Island     Randell, Joseph
BEN McCREE             1862    03 Nov    Lundy Island    unknown
BOSWEDEN              1886     15 Oct     Lundy Island     Boyns, R.
BRENDA                  1871    14 Feb    Lundy Island    unknown
BROTHERS               1866     27 Nov     Lundy Island     Abbott, Thomas
BURNSWARK            1882     13 Dec     Lundy Island     Luke, Wm. Henry
BUSY                  1859    25 Oct    Lundy Island    unknown
CAROLINE                1868     19 Feb     Lundy Island     King, Wm. T.
CATHERINE HENDRY  1898     25 Mar     Lundy Island     Jones, E.
CHARLES                   1858     13 Mar     Lundy Island     unknown
CHESAPEAKE           1862     58 Jun     Lundy Island     unknown
CHOICE                  1856    20 Apr    Lundy Island    Williams
COILA                   1895     14 May     Lundy Island     Court, A.
COLUMBO                  1867    27 Oct    Lundy Island    unknown
CONCORD           1810     20 Nov     Lundy Island     unknown
CORNWALL            1871     19 Mar     Lundy Island     Jones, Jenkin
COUNTESS BECTIVE   1850     29 Apr     Lundy Island     Davies
CRESCENT                   1842    27 Jun    Lundy Island    Paine, J.
DIAMOND                    1897     03 Mar     Lundy Island     Buley, H
DILIGENT                    1859     01 Nov     Lundy Island     unknown
DYFED                    1897     22 Jan     Lundy Island     Harwood, G.
EARL OF JERSEY        1898     28 Nov     Lundy Island     Halbert, W.
EAST ANGLIAN           1868    14 Jan    Lundy Island    Demsey, Edwa
ELECTRIC                    1888     08 May     Lundy Island     Thomas, R.
ELIZA                   1852    14 Jan    Lundy Island    Tucker, James
ELIZA                   1869    30 Dec    Lundy Island    Edwards, David
ELIZA                    1873     27 Mar     Lundy Island     unknown
ELLEN                    1864     17 Nov     Lundy Island     unknown
ESTRELLA DE MAR      1811                 Lundy Island     unknown
ETHEL                   1877    06 Feb    Lundy Island    Reeves
EUZA JONES            1889     16 Dec     Lundy Island     Williams, T.
FAME                   1822    07 Feb    Lundy Island    unknown
FANNY                    1874     05 Oct     Lundy Island     Guard, William
FRANCIS ANNE            1829     21 Mar     Lundy Island     Grandy, E.
GERTRUDE            1872     07 May     Lundy Island     unknown
HANNAH MORE            1866     10 Jan     Lundy Island     Haughton
HERMINA                    1869     30 Jan     Lundy Island     unknown
HEROINE                    1882     13 Dec     Lundy Island     unknown
HIGHGATE                   1890    19 Feb    Lundy Island    Lewer, H. C.
HIRONDELLE           1885    20 Mar    Lundy Island    Cove, H. P.
HOPE                    1855     31 May     Lundy Island     unknown
HORNET                    1884     27 Jan     Lundy Island     Tomun, J.
I O                           1827    25 Apr    Lundy Island    de Gallis, J.
INFANTA                    1898     19 May     Lundy Island     Lesslie, J.
INVERSNAID           1886    16 Oct    Lundy Island    Dodds, J.
IONA II                   1864    02 Jan    Lundy Island    unknown
ISMYR                    1893     01 Dec     Lundy Island     Smith, F.
JAMES                    1862     19 Mar     Lundy Island     Chellew
JANE                           1860    08 Jun    Lundy Island    unknown
JOSEPH F VOTSAM     1855     14 May     Lundy Island     unknown
JUANITA                   1886    17 Oct    Lundy Island    unknown
JULIA                    1868     01 Nov     Lundy Island     Steel
KELDHEAD            1873     28 Apr     Lundy Island     Davies, E.
LAMB                    1820     20 Jan     Lundy Island     unknown
LEDA                    1872     28 Feb     Lundy Island     Tascon, A. M.
LEWIS CHARLES           1861    09 Feb    Lundy Island    unknown
LOIRE                    1856                 Lundy Island     unknown
LOUISA                    1850     18 Feb     Lundy Island     unknown
MARCO POLO            1881     20 Dec     Lundy Island     Falvey, J.
MARGARET            1869     22 Apr     Lundy Island     Kendall, William
MARIE                    1757     19 Sep     Lundy Island     unknown
MARIE COLLIER           1895    09 Sep    Lundy Island    unknown
MARINER                    1842     19 Mar     Lundy Island     unknown
MARY                    1870     16 Dec     Lundy Island     unknown
MARY ANN            1842     02 Feb     Lundy Island     Day, John
MARY ANN                   1873    27 Apr    Lundy Island    unknown
MARY ANNE            1876     13 Aug     Lundy Island     unknown
MATILDA                    1864     04 Apr     Lundy Island     Pincheon, Wm. Glen.
MILLICENT            1897     01 Apr     Lundy Island     Hoskin, T.
MORRISON            1823                 Lundy Island     unknown
MYRTLE TREE            1800     14 Jan     Lundy Island     unknown
NANCY & BETTY         1793  19 Feb     Lundy Island     Phillips
NAUTILUS                   1868    01/09    Lundy Island    unknown
NEW HOUSE            1872     05/04     Lundy Island     unknown
NEW PROSPEROUS     1888    14 Feb    Lundy Island    unknown
OLIVE BRANCH            1866     23 Mar     Lundy Island     Alsop, J.
ORANGE BRANCH       1852    23 Jul    Lundy Island    Balmano
PALLION                    1873     05 Nov     Lundy Island     unknown
PANAJA ELEUSA           1851    22 Oct    Lundy Island    unknown
PEACE                    1859     02 Nov     Lundy Island     unknown
PEER OF THE REALM   1885    12 Feb    Lundy Island    Knowles, Edwin
PLYMOUTH            1859     29 Aug     Lundy Island     Manning, J.
PROVIDENCE            1874     07 Jun     Lundy Island     unknown
RACER                    1861     13 Nov     Lundy Island     unknown
RAJAH                   1896    09 Dec    Lundy Island    Bellman, J.
RALPH CREYKE           1879    20 Feb    Lundy Island    Ellwood
RAPID                    1835     21 Aug     Lundy Island     unknown
RATTLER                   1880    09 Dec    Lundy Island    Rundle, C. O.
ROVER                    1897     31 Aug     Lundy Island     Grant, W.
SALDO                    1897     21 Mar     Lundy Island     Rainnie, J. M.
SANDWICH BAY         1865     29 Apr     Lundy Island     Salisbury
SOVEREIGN            1890     19 Feb     Lundy Island     Putnam, W.
SPITFIRE                   1899    17 Apr    Lundy Island    Blackman, S
SUSANNA                    1768     04 Sep     Lundy Island     Wallis
SVODOHY                   1883    06 Dec    Lundy Island    Geogara, N.
SWIFT                    1868     08 Oct     Lundy Island     Carlisle, George
SWIFT                   1877    17 Oct    Lundy Island    Guy, G.
TASFIELD                    1891     22 Nov     Lundy Island     unknown
TRELISSICK            1868     24 Apr     Lundy Island     unknown
TRIDENT                   1858     09 Apr     Lundy Island     Davey
TUNISIE                    1892     19 Feb     Lundy Island     Rochet, J. R.
UNITY                    1819     01 May     Lundy Island     unknown
UNITY                   1833    12 Jan    Lundy Island    unknown
VALENTINE            1861     23 May     Lundy Island     Williams
VALIANT                   1849    02 Feb    Lundy Island    Cogar, William
WESLEYANA            1856     18 Jan     Lundy Island     unknown
WESTWARD            1898     09 Jan     Lundy Island     Nicholas, W.
WILLIAM                    1868     07 Nov     Lundy Island     unknown
WIZARD                    1852     13 Jan     Lundy Island     Guille
WYE                    1796     ?? Dec     Lundy Island     unknown
ZENITH                    1896     19 Mar     Lundy Island     Locolly, J. B.

I am beginning to understand why there is was 3 light houses on Lundy  Grin

One treasure ship was the Jenny, lost in the cove halfway up the west side that now bears her name. She was carrying a precious cargo of Ivory and Gold dust, evidence of which still turns up from time to time.

Interesting enough there is Estella Der Mar in 1811 was involved in Piracy in Peru where a large quantity of silver was hijacked from Pisco Peru. Was this treasure lost off Lundy island?

Lundy with its pirate treasures and shipwrecks will always continue to fascinate those who who love the history behind shipwrecks and treasure.

Hardluck  Wink





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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2010, 06:38:25 am »
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Hi Hardluck,

 Great  An impressive list of shipwrecks, I would replace one of the lighthouse keepers, I am sure to be busy all day !!!!!!!

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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2010, 07:47:04 am »
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Hello Luc

By the look of that list perhaps the light house was run by some pirate wreckers.  Cheesy

Here is a modern day shipwreck on the island.

There is so much history on this tiny island. The dangerous sea caves still hold some secrets. There is one cave that has 30m high cavern in the back of the cave. over halfway up there is a ledge. What is on this ledge and is behind it is unknown. It is a very dangerous climb inside a sea cave as it is always very wet and slippery. Entry time into this cave is very short at low tide.

Another cave called the Devil lime kiln has the roof fallen in. Here is a picture from distance above.

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Hi HArdluck

Thank you for your information well documented.

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Wreckers is what I thought when I read the list. When searching old articles I found a lot of ships hit reefs off Lundy. 

Finding a time when the tide is going extreme negative might pay off after a little visit to the ledge....  Wink

I'm right with you Luc, I could find plenty to keep me busy there  Smiley

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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2010, 05:11:09 pm »
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Hello All

Idaho Jones and Luc, I agree with you both, there is much to metal detect and in discover on Lundy. In the fields last year archeologists uncovered flint workings and primitive tools from the neolithic era.

The ancient cemetery  has the remains of saint Necten and other graves of Romans and a 6th century.

There are many interesting things on Lundy. There is a bowl shaped stone called the punchbowl that was damaged by worker in the quarry in 19th century. And there is the pond that may yield artifacts.

That with two known ships carrying treasure. De Marisco Family, The Pirate John Nutt , The french pirates, The Moorish slavers and pirates, Benson and his smuggling activities are more than enough to keep a treasure hunter busy.

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