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« on: July 14, 2010, 02:03:49 PM »
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 Maybe one of you good people can help me out with this.
The drill hole is drilled straight upwards in an overhang, the black pointer
seems to have been chiseled out of the cliff face. The area around the pointer
has what looks likes chips taken out which are nowhere else in the area.
To the left of the pointer is a lighter area which also looks worked.
Just to get up there and drill this hole must have taken some doing.
I can't get up to it without some taking kind of ladder or something.
I don't know if the hole to the right of the pointer is a drill hole but will
check it out next trip.
It's a long walk to get here and with the heat and the rattlers I will probably
not go back until it cools down a bit.
Any thoughts on this? Mike

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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2010, 02:57:20 AM »
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It looks like a hole for blasting the rock face to get at something in the rock, possibly some kind of mineral or ore. Whoever drilled it may have changed his or her mind and left it as it was. There's no practical way to refill it anyway.

That little area below it was probably where this prospector put a ladder to get to the hole drilling spot. This may be better off in Prospecting Talk but I suggest we leave it here since your initial impression was that it might be a sign. It's evidence, for sure, but not necessarily a sign.

Before compressors and power jackhammers, holes like that were made with a tool called a jack, which was pounded into rock and rotated as it was pounded. A single jack was one used by one man with a hammer while a double jack was struck by two men and sometimes rotated by a third man. The double jack handler had a lot of faith in the hammer swingers for sure! A single jack took a lot of time to bore a hole but with one hand holding it and the other swinging a hammer, it was extremely demanding work. Today's modern equivalent is called a star drill.

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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2010, 05:42:08 AM »
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 Sure is an interesting little hole in the rock !  Cool

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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2010, 07:24:30 AM »
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That would be an strange place to put a blasting hole. Have you tried getting pictures when shadows are showing on the rock face. Usually 12 to 2 PM ?  Jim

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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2010, 01:56:41 PM »
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Thanks for your comments I appreciate them all. It doesn't look like there
would be anything as faras minerals here but I'm no expert. I won't go back
out there till it cools down a bit. When I do I'll take some pictures around 12-2.
Here is a picture of what lead me to this area.
Thanks again,Mike


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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2010, 07:45:30 AM »
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I,m shure your on a trail, but what kind ? The shadow signs can show at different times of day for the differing portions of trail. Have seen some that only show in the 5:00 to 6:00 pm range. Have you been able to backtrack the trail ? There might be clues if you can find the beginning . Also, because the summer heat was so bad in some areas, they worked them in the cooler months and some signs will only show in the winter.

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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2010, 08:09:25 AM »
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 whats the possibility of rock climbers they have been know to drill holes for anchor points

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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2010, 02:23:34 PM »
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 Thanks for your input. I'm learning all the time.
 When I do get back I will keep all thats said in
mind. I don't think that any rock climbers have been
in the area or anyone else since there aren't ever
any other footprints anywhere I go. There is a window
that has a gunsight that points to the dill hole rock
and the window is in a pack mules back. The pack mules
pack is quite large, so I've been told there's alot of what
ever stashed out there. I just need to follow the compass
heading and find the t-angle of rocks and follow the
mesurments to the spot to dig. There are 2 caches
here, one is shallow and the other deep. This one is
the shallow one. Mike

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2010, 09:35:26 PM »
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I've no experience to comment on the monument size to ( package ) size . Hope your rite! I think the hole you refer to is a hoya and looking through it leads to the next sign or signs. These show best 12 to 2 PM As you get further away they can show latter and the time difference can also be used to differentiate trails. Take pictures of everything, from all angles.Towards the signs you've found and looking away from them. Some shadow signs only fully form for 15 minutes or so but the transform faze can extend the time to locate them to 45 minutes.At least you then know where to look next trip. Look for sun spots . There are natural ones but they are also used to draw attention to important things! From your last post it sounds as though you have a better handle on things than I do , so I hope this helps somebody. Hope you find the big one and always have fun. Jim  OH YEA! Here is an example of one of those hard to find shadow signs.

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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2010, 10:19:18 AM »
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Another idea to think about, leverage.   If this is Spanish/Mexican origin, their ancestors built
massive pyramids all over Central/South America, don't under-estimate what they could do.
Other areas of this rock face may have 'wear' marks(fresh break, like around the hole).    This
could be part of a 'device' to assist getting up this face, the marker stone below and 'shadow'
on the wall behind it form an arrow up.   It also could have been set up to 'lower' items from above,
or to 'move' a large stone below the wall face.   I am aware of a large 1 ton? stone placed atop
2 others, was not done by Mother Nature.   Above this stone is a rock wall and there are holes
like this in the wall face.


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