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« on: December 02, 2010, 07:37:39 am »
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I have a question. I have seen videos of folks conducting air tests on their MDs while it seems that field tests are most commonly conducted to advise on the efficiency of a MD. What is the difference in results between the two tests? I'm more inclined toward the field test just because it's the real thing, but not sure about the difference in results.

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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2010, 09:01:52 am »
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New Guy here, just a thought that it would depend on the detector. Air test tells you its working, field test tells you how good its working. Air test is easier, but I like field test better. I could think of other conditions I would emulate on a air test.

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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2010, 12:26:27 am »
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I have a question. I have seen videos of folks conducting air tests on their MDs while it seems that field tests are most commonly conducted to advise on the efficiency of a MD. What is the difference in results between the two tests? I'm more inclined toward the field test just because it's the real thing, but not sure about the difference in results.


You're going to love the answer GD gives you on this one Smiley  

 (Actually, if you do a search using the search function you'll find that you can use the air tests to help you determine the specific search pattern characteristics of your particular detector and coil---but it is a bit more involved than the standard air tests you see in the videos where a person waves a target across the coil and says "Ok, this detector will pick up a quarter at 12 inches in an air test" since it involves determing how far from the coil the target is picked up in various positions across the full face of the coil.....)

But when it comes to just the air test you've seen on most of the videos, there good for A) verifying the machine works and B) given you an idea as to the sound and general reading the machine will give you for a target as well as the theoretical maximum depth.  The field test will give you a more accurate real world depth -- but even that is going to be approximate since it will vary with soil conditions.

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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2010, 06:47:47 am »
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Thanks for the response. It seems that the field test tells about the natural behavior of the MD in the various soil conditions we exposed them, while the air test still gives you information about its basic functionality. Thus both tests serve a function of their own. In conclusion, conducting both tests is recommended.

I think that it would be beneficial to establish standard procedures on how to conduct both tests for the average detectorist to obtain the most accurate information about their MDs.

I'll wait for GD's response.   Teach

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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2010, 04:35:46 pm »
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I feel so, er, um, inadequate.

The air test is an ideal circumstance test where there is nothing in the way to cause your field to be less than perfect. In ground, sand or water, other factors interfere with your field. Things like soil components, rotting wood, tree roots, water in the soil and long decomposed iron can cause your field to be attenuated giving you a diminished return. On rare occasions, like when a gentle rain moistens the soil, you might even get enhanced returns from a VLF/TR or PI machine. Most other types suffer from water in the ground.

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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2010, 05:35:41 pm »
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Inadequate? ya right  Pray. So if a MD fails an air test, let say in terms of depth, one may expect that in the various ground conditions the machine will not respond as indicated by the manufacturer or the seller. That is, a manufacturer may claim that the machine is deep seeking, but if the air test shows that at 6" the MD fails to return a signal, one cannot expect a ground detection pass 4 or 5 inches. Then, one should ask what does the manufacturer meant by deep seeking.

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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2010, 07:24:31 pm »
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Ahhh, GD, no reason to feel inadequate.....you did good 


 (although I was expecting something more along the lines of what you wrote in

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and to be honest what I was really thinking about was a topic occupant started last year when he wrote:
"occupant  "Winter is getting old.  I'm ready for Spring and some nice weather.  But, since I'm still stuck inside, I wanted to try an experiment that may prove valuable when it is time to get outside and begin Treasure Hunting again.

Time and again we have been told that the shape of the detector's search field beneath the coil would look like a 'snow cone' if we could see it. Pointing down into the ground like a "V".  I do recall reading one article that described it more as half of a basketball, which always seemed  more accurate to me. But I still didn't know for sure.  So, how much should I overlap my swings in order not to miss anything? The following experiment gave me the answer and forever changed the way I will use my detector." "   see

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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2010, 07:28:23 pm »
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I think I understand what golddigger is saying. I have a basic machine, and it only air test at 6inches. But I detect at 10 inches or more with it. My soil is dry here. To add to this, if I set the sensitivity and disc nobs right I can pull out coins more often than not. I have pulled tin cans from a foot under a large root. I cant explain why my bounty hunter detects better in the ground. I cant wait to get a high frequency machine to do more tyhan coin search. I have read you can reverse the settings on a vdi and discriminate iron? Again Im confused as to why that is. But if it works?

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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2010, 09:37:44 pm »
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Interesting experiment by Occupant with the BH. I agree that the air test may yield ideal results whatever those are, good or bad. The real test, however, is the ground test in the various conditions. Thus, although the air test yields interesting results that may surprise one, there is no match to the real experience of detecting on the field. That is, the air test yields hypothetical results, but the field test brings tacit knowledge to the operator. One can conclude then that a knowledgeable operator makes the difference between a good and a mediocre hunt. Bottom line is detect, detect, detect and pay attention to and learn the behaviors of your MD. Too many MDs, too many technologies, but in the end it's up to the operator to make of it a good hobby tool. I guess  Undecided

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