Is government ruining our hobby?

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	Is government ruining our hobby? « on: November 12, 2009, 10:49:11 pm »

From the land of the Bluenose.....it seems that in our lives government has controls, regulations, law and restrictions that affect every aspect of our day to day activities. Not one to cry wolf or expound the paranoia of the "Big Brother" syndrome but it is increasingly evident that the tentacles of every level of government is sucking the life blood out of our hobby.

While "pruising" (cross between prowling and cruising) the various metal detecting forums on the net that I patronize I have noticed with ever more frequency posts that indicate that metal detecting in not allowed in this town, this city and so on. Is government the cause or is a direct result of detectorists not following the code of ethics, utilizing common sense or just an apathetic approach to the hobby and not standing up to this encroachment?

Rationalization of both perspectives must be voiced so that an amicable compromise can be reached to preserve the hobby. One can easily see the various levels of governments view that detectorists clandestinely loot historic sites, invade private property and leave craters in the ground causing dangerous situations. As with everything in life there is a small percentage of detectorists that fall into this category who taint the reputation of the majority of treasure hunters.

On the flip side of the coin detectorists provide services for the general public finding lost rings, keys, keep sakes and on the odd occasion assisting local law enforcement officers in collecting evidence. As an entity the metal detecting communities is often over looked for other valuable services such as the recycling of coins. If you added up all the coins that detectorists but back into circulation in the run or a year I'm sure the amount would be staggering. Treasure hunting also promotes a healthy outdoors life style without the injuries associated with contact sports thus cutting down on health costs.

Somewhere along the line a unified front has to be established to combat the assault on our hobby while at the same time nurturing a positive and lasting general appreciation of a truly great hobby!

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	Re: Is government ruining our hobby? « Reply #1 on: November 13, 2009, 04:10:46 am »

Hmm interesting but you can thank your Archaeologists for some of the laws that have been introduced in recent years they have a powerful voice with certain MP's and council members and have always been against detectorist especially night hawks who raid important historical sites. However they forget that it is the detectorists that sometimes find those unknown sites, but fail to give credit where its due.
The current Labour Government is all too eager to find new ways of raising revenue and bought in a permit for guys who want to detect on the foreshore.
What they fail to tell you is that below the high tide mark crown land ceases to exist and that area comes under the juristriction of the reciever of wrecks. As such if anything is found below the high tide mark it is classed as Jetsom and should be reported to the reciever of wrecks and if no one claims it or ownership is hard to find it reverts back to the finder.
Sometimes they (the authorities) pull the wool over your eyes and blind you with bulldust or say anything to bluff you in order to stop your activity.

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	Re: Is government ruining our hobby? « Reply #2 on: November 13, 2009, 09:27:13 am »

I would agree it is probably the archaeological and in some cases environmental groups responsible. They would rather things rot away than be found unless by them. Government always ruins anything it touches it seems.

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	Re: Is government ruining our hobby? « Reply #3 on: November 13, 2009, 10:45:27 am »

This UK permit/licence system for the Crown foreshore, is like leading lambs to the slaughter and most UK detectorists are lying down and going along with it, most owners/administrators of UK forums and those high up in the metal detecting world have also put there seal of approval on it or are frightened to speak out against it.

In the terms and conditions of this permit amongst many other draconian rules and regulations, it states that any jewellery that is found is to be handed in to the authorities within 14 days and if the owner can not be found it is to be sold, and after any costs are taken off, the remaining amount is to be shared between the finder and the crown, but I may keep small amounts of loose change that are found, I love the bit about "after any costs are taken off" what about my costs rip off coastal parking charges,fuel costs, cost of the metal detector etc etc. If I was to find lost jewellery/money on the side of the road and hand it in at the police station if the owner could not be found it is returned to the finder after a period of time, why am I being punished for using a metal detector.

To return a item of lost jewellery to its owner is worth its weight in gold not give 50%+ to some dodgy system with a bigger agenda.

Once you put a permit system in place it allows the authorities to moniter numbers and in two or three years time, they will say we have one thousand permits issued and this does not equate to what is being declared and they will take the permit system away, exactly the same thing happened with the Forestry commission permits, the archaeologists were strongly behind that one and they are pulling the strings behind the scenes on the foreshore permit, although things found on the foreshore are relatively modern and nothing to do with archaeology they are eroding our hobby from around the edges.

And no one it seems will stand up and fight

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	Re: Is government ruining our hobby? « Reply #4 on: November 13, 2009, 01:54:25 pm »

Well metal detecting federations and controlling bodies are like the government only interested in taking members subscriptions and fees they take your money do stuff all in return and are a useless load of tossers.
What the hobby needs is some genuine guys who can band together and form a united front to tackle these morons head on.
Most of the guys running federations are in business selling detectors and maybe they dont want to feel anyone looking over their shoulder ready to close them down. united we stand divided we fall and thats whats happening with your so called associations and federations useless load of toad stools or tossers hehehe

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	Re: Is government ruining our hobby? « Reply #5 on: November 13, 2009, 05:04:39 pm »

Sorta like Gun control.

They Whittle, Whittle and Whittle some more.

Then One day you find you have nothing left.

Unlike gun control they see money in the finds.

If they let you do the finding , they can Control and dictate the prices paid and Rob you.

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	Re: Is government ruining our hobby? « Reply #6 on: November 13, 2009, 05:22:16 pm »

you will never get full value for the finds they will use scrap prices and sell it on for a profit its a bum deal designed by thieving bastards who do nothing for your hard work in other words they are parasites living off your labour and that isnt right your human rights are being taken away complain to brussel sprouts you know who i mean lol

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	Re: Is government ruining our hobby? « Reply #7 on: November 22, 2009, 03:53:03 pm »

You need to make sure the people you are electing are reasonable and will take your issue seriously. Talk to them about it and point out the many good things detectorist do such as removing heavy metals from the soil etc.. Archeologist are not your friends and just cost tax payers money. The private sector should be running museums for profit and pay for the items they recieve, not the government. The government waste billions of dollars buying land for civil war parks etc.. There is very little restraint on their ridiculous spending.
John in Va......" PS I worked for the government for 20 plus years and they do waste money!"

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	Re: Is government ruining our hobby? « Reply #8 on: November 22, 2009, 05:47:57 pm »

Money Elects people Vote are no longer valid.

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	Re: Is government ruining our hobby? « Reply #9 on: December 04, 2009, 05:49:52 pm »

The problem is the lawmakers tend to slide things in packaged with prominent emotionally charged laws to get them passed. Who would vote against a law that has crucial child safety legislature just because clause 24 takes away metal detecting rights? Its sneaky underhanded and should be illegal to bundle amendments but on it goes.

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