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Sutton Hoo never was Anglo or Saxon  Alan Wilson

Another colleague of Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett is Mr Alan Hassell who lives in London. This tireless researcher is

the metal detection expert who has assisted Alan and Baram for may years. The ability to detect larger metal objects up to thirty feet below ground and to differentiate between ferrous and non-ferrous metal when detected was of great value to the research programme.

Alan Hassell took a keen interest in ancient British London, the ?Troy novantium? as King Edward I knew of it. He knew

of the Brutus Stone that is the ancient foundation stone of London. Adrian Gilbert traced this in 1996 to the resting place

of the last remnant of the stone that is in an alcove cut into that wall of a London bank. This Brutus Stone was there from

time immemorial until the London Authorities cut away two thirds of it to make way for a road-widening scheme. Jack

Cade who is almost certainly Sion O?Ceint ?John of Kent in Khumric records, and the leader of the peasants revolt in AD

One of Alan Hassell?s projects was to take a close look at the Sutton Hoo Treasures in the British Museum. In common

with the persistent policy of archaeologists having only two labels -one Roman and the other Anglo-Saxon- the Museum

has come up with the totally unsubstantiated story that the boat burial at Sutton Hoo was probably that of an Angle King

named as Redwald. The reasoning behind this assertion is flimsy to say the least.

The largest grave mound at Sutton Hoo was excavated in 1939 in the summer just before World War II broke out. The

archaeologists did a very good job indeed and they were able to completely expose the entire shape of a large boat that had

been buried in the mound although not a scrap of timber remained. They exposed evidence of the ancient planking, and of

row upon row of large iron bolts that had been used to secure the wooden planking together, Rows of bolts that lay in

gently curing rows outwards from the vanished keel, and upwards from the vanished stern and from the upward curling bow

of the vanished ship.

This remarkable find immediately raised the question of who had owned this ship in the mind of Alan Hassell.  It was

known from the time of Julius Caesar that the British, and their kinsmen in what are now the Breton and Normandy areas

of France, used large iron bolts to secure the planks of their ocean going ships. The British had access to the largest iron

ore deposits in Western Europe, in South East Wales in Glamorgan, before the Swedish irom ore resources were tapped in

relatively modern times. Yet the Angles and Saxons used wooden dowels in their ships. This immediately raises the

question of whether this ship that was buried in a grave mound was British or immigrant German Angle or Saxon.

As Alan Hassell points out the grave of King Ceri Longsword, who fought the Romans successfully from AD 52 to AD 74,

is at the boat shaped mound at Nash Point as recorded in the Songs of the Graves. The boat shaped grave of King Meurig

(My-Rig) the father of King Arthur II is inside a huge boat shaped mound and ditch enclosure on Mynydd y Gaer ?Fortress

Mountain. This grave mound is around 120 feet (37 meters) long and thirty feet (9 meters) wide. The Songs of the Graves

identifies the site of the grave of Bedwyr ap Pedrog (Sir Bedievre) is also clearly boat shaped, and so on. This fact and

other traceable evidence of recorded and known British boat shaped burials, raised questions in Alan Hassell?s mind.

He then noticed the remarkable reconstructed purse that was found in the Sutton Hoo ship burial. The leather had rotted

away but the jewelled and ornamented parts of this purse remained intact and so restoration was possible. The immediate

and plainly obvious fact was that there were representations that appeared to be of the widely known Gilgamesh figure

clearly exhibited on this ancient purse. The Gilgamesh epic of the exploits of King Gilgamesh of the ancient city of Uruk,

is the major epic story of ancient Mesopotamia and Syria and Asia Minor.  This was not a story known to the Angles or

the Saxons. There is however a Nordic ancient tale of    being attacked by two gigantic wolves.

The animals that are shown attacking the human figures made up of jewels on the side of the purse do in fact appear to

have manes. The animal that has a mane is a lion, and therefore it is quite a possibility that these jewelled animals are

depicting lions. The tails of these animals are also important as they are shown as long and curling. This would probably

introduce the Bible story of Daniel being thrown into the lion?s den in Babylon. If this is the case then the attribution of

the manufacture of this purse by a craftsman, and also the owner?s nationality as a Germanic Angle king is called into

question. The human figure is not shown grasping the animals by the throat as is usually the case in the standard Gilgamesh

representations.

The Gilgamesh epic would have been known to our Chaldean-Hittite ancestors, who came into Britain and were led by

Albyne around 1560 BC, and it would have been known to Trojan people in Western Asia Minor around 650 BC and later.

This again pointed to the fact that the Sutton Hoo ship burial as ancient British and not later German Angle or Saxon. The

typical Gilgamesh representation is of a royal male figure standing with his arms outstretched and holding either a pair of

lions, or bulls, or even rams, by their necks. The figure shown on the Suttoo Hoo purse is unmistakeably one that is

involved with lions and that introduces the story of Daniel in the Lions Den, or that of the legendary founding King

Gilgamesh.

Then Alan Hassell looked very closely at the set of golden spoons that were found in the Sutton Hoo ship, and the things

that immediately caught his eye was the fact that these spoons had inscriptions cut into their long handles. Equally

important there is a very clear Christian Cross incised on the handle of each spoon immediately below the bowl, and before

the lettering.  Once again the known fact is that the Angles and Saxons were illiterates and it was not until King Alfred, the

poor baker, sent messages to Wales, Scotland, and Ireland, for Geraint y Fardd Glas, for John Scottius, and for John

Iregena, to introduce writing into his kingdom that literacy arrived in Anglo-Saxondom. Geraint was known in England as

Asser, and he with John Scottius, and John Erigena, are the legendary founders of Oxford University.  As the golden spoons

from Sutton Hoo clearly had a form of the Khumric Coelbren Alphabet cut into the handles it was already almost a

impossibility for this ship burial to have been either Angle or Saxon pagan burial.

Alan Hassell who is an expert photographer then looked at another major Sutton Hoo relic. There is a remarkable

ornamented golden bowl that was found in the Sutton Hoo ship burial. This bowl is very clearly decorated with

ornamentation that shows what can best be described as a number of Maltese style Christian Crosses. These would indicate

that it was a Christian person who was being buried, and this immediately raises the question of the race and nationality of

that person.  There is however something that is even more remarkable as there is incised on the centre of the Sutton Hoo

golden bowl, as plain for everyone to see there is the symbol known as the Star of David. This six-pointed star symbol

In the centre of this Star of David symbol is an eight petalled flower and this is a royal symbol found in many ancient

Egyptian scenes. Set around inside the six points of the Star are six representations of Lilies and the Lily was an ancient

royal emblem that was later used by the Frank-French Kings. Another symbol that appears outside and immediately

between the outer points of the Star are six Doves, and again Doves are important symbols of Hebrew ?Judean lore, and

Doves were a bird that were a frequent sacrifice made to Israel?s God Jehovah.   

To round matters off at this stage the remains of a distinctive shaped ?lyre? were found in the Sutton Hoo boat, and these

pieces were successfully reconstructed to show how this musical instrument might have appeared. It seems that Khumric

Wales is once again being located on the dark side of the moon as far as the British Museum is concerned. This Sutton Hoo

?lyre? just happens to be the same shape as the ancient Khumric ?crwyth? a guitar like musical instrument that was in use

until fairly modern times.

 
It is no co-incidence that when white settlers first began moving into the mid west some 250 years ago they encountered a

strange race of White people who were called the Mellungians. The late Jim Michael of Louisville took great interest in

researches into these white Mellungian people remain an unsolved American mystery. The best theory that he and Alan

Wilson came up with was that they were partly descended from the ancient Khumric migration into this area of North

America, and that they might have been the people who contacted the survivors of the disastrous first English colony in

North America, and possibly removed them into the interior in Kentucky and Tennessee.  The point here is that the

Mellungians still make the same identical musical instrument as the ancient and recent Khumry made and used as their

Crwyth. The dates of the lyres are Sutton Hoo around AD 630, the Khumry ?Welsh? from time immemorial to around AD

1800, and the Mellungians up to our present times. Exactly the same musical instrument, and one wonders if old King

David and Solomon used the same musical instrument.

Just what a very clear six-pointed Star of David symbol doing set prominently in the very centre of the elaborate

ornamentation of the golden bowl in the Sutton Hoo ship is a matter of huge interest. This design is harder to miss than it

is to see. It the presence of this design that is peculiar to the Kings of Israel, is taken into account with all the other alleged

?Anglo-Saxon? relics, records, and remains, then there is a substantial case to be made for a King who was descended from

the tribe of Judah whose ancestors arrived in Britain around 504 ?500 BC being the person whose monument this Sutton

Hook mound was.  All the evidence points in this direction and it give substantial credence to the ages long belief that

ancient Davidic Kings were in ancient Britain.

Perhaps it should be clearly stated that neither Alan Hassell, nor Alan Wilson, nor Baram Blackett, has any strong religious

beliefs, and none of them are members of any religious organization or society. In fact all of them would have had a quiet

laugh if this situation had been proposed to them before they began their investigations. There are however very serious

people in Britain and Canada, and probably elsewhere, who firmly believe in a Davidic Link with ancient royalty in Britain.

Their detractors would do well to have a very quiet and very serious rethink.

There is also a magnificent metal helmet that was found in the great boat-burial at Sutton Hoo, and even that artefact is

surprising.  The Helmet has metal flaps that could be closed to cover the wearers face below the eyes, and the design shows

a male person?s face with a moustache, but otherwise clean-shaven.  The British were known to be clean-shaven apart

from wearing moustaches, and the Angles and Saxons were bearded, and this helmet is major cultural evidence of an

incontrovertible nature. The signs are that the owner and wearer of the helmet was indisputably British and not Germanic.

The burial was that of a British King and we have his portrait to prove it. You only see things if you look for them and

Alan Hassell very definitely looked at the Sutton Hoo treasures in the British Museum as well as many other things from

ancient Eastern Britain.

Once we again recognize our ancestral records then we can restore at least part of our ancient History. The archaeologists

recognize two ancient cultural explosions of advanced skilled metal working people coming into Britain around 1600 and

around 500 BC. The advent of these traceable metal-working cultures into Britain matches with the Historical records of

the invasions of Albyne around 1560 BC and of Brutus around 500 BC. Yet the Historical Establishment blindly ignores all

this archaeological evidence as if it did not exist.



This Star of David symbol may be of huge significance as there is definitely evidence that when the Assyrians deported

huge numbers of Ten Tribe Israel known as the Khumry between 740 ? 702 BC, they also deported numbers of the tribes

of Judah and Benjamin. As the Khumry ?Israel Ten Tribes are definitely provably the Khumry known as the Welsh -

?walische? -from Old High German, it is logical that member of the Two Tribes of Judea also accompanied them into

Britain. Khumric people lived mainly in the West of Britain, but there were Khumric Kings right through the Midlands of

what is now England in Warwickshire and Leicestershire. One Khumric King of Leicestershire is recorded in the Brutus of

England around AD 720. 

So we have a Khumric or Davidic link with symbols plain for all to see on the Sutton Hoo golden bowl. We have straight

stroke ancient British Coelbren writing incised on two gold spoons. We have a ship made with iron bolts in British fashion,

and not in Anglo-Saxon fashion. 

An attempt to try to read the short inscriptions on the handles of the two gold spoons found at Sutton Hoo was made by

Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett. They did this because there is no apparent effort at decipherment into what is called

?Anglo-Saxon?.

The short inscriptions appear to from read left to right starting from the spoon bowls and preceeded by the Christian

Cross.

One spoon appears to have either + CAU LLOC or CAW LLOC incised on the handle.
CAU means ?enclosed?, and this could be in the sense of being ?enclosed? in a protective manner.
Then: -
CAW means ?a graduated bard?.
Then: -
LLOC basically means ?a pen? or a ?fold? (as in ?a sheepfold?)
There are then several LLOC + words, and we have
1.?Lloches? meaning ?shelter? or ?refuge?.
Next there is: -
2.?Lochesu? meaning ?to cherish? or ?to shelter?.
Then there is: -
3. ?Llochiad? meaning ?protect?.

If these two spoons are sacred spoons that might have been used in an anointing of Coronation ceremony, then this may

start to makesense.

The inscription on the second spoon appears to be either + NAU LOC or NAW LOC incised on the handle and once again

the fouth letter is difficult. There is a possibility that it is a ?D?. Otherwise it suggests an ?L?, or less likely a ?LL?. So we

may have NAW or otherwise NAWDD.
NAW means ?kin?.
Then: -
?NAWDD? means ?patronage? or ?protection? or ?support?.

Then: -OC means ?from?, or ?of?, or ?out of?.

If these brief phrases can be construed as associated with a qualified person who is able to offer Shelter or Protection, or is

to be a person offered some form of Christian Shelter or Protection, then it is quite possible that the golden spoons are

part of the equipment required in some form of anointing ritual. The presence of a clear ChristianCross symbol on each

spoon that preceeds the short inscription certainly points towards the spoons being used in Christian ceremonial occasions.

 

There are then two other strange designs on the Sutton Hoo purse made of gold and jewel stones. These designs show a

large bird of prey attacking a duck, and anyone who has read the Khumric ?Mabinogi? solar and stellar stories will

immediately recognize this scene as from the Mabinogi of Peredur -Steel Shirt, where Peredur sees a bird of prey kill a

similar Duck and causes the red blood to flow and to mark the white snow on the ground.  So just why is this British motif

portrayed on the magnificent Sutton Hoo purse, if the Sutton Hoo burial allegedly was not British? Well done Mr Hassell.
 
Another matter that needed consideration was the existence of a corpus of ancient writings that had again been casually

labelled as Anglo-Saxon despite the fact that these primitive tribes that had entered devastated depopulated Britain in

chaos after the catastrophe of the impacts of debris from the passing comet of AD 562, were illiterates. Several of these

surviving documents carry the name of the author (or copyist) and he was named as Caedmon, and Caedmon is a distinctly

British name and definitely not an Angle or Saxon name.

Add to this the Khumric Welsh historical note that the language that finally prevailed in Lloegres, or Moon Country or

England, was that of the Icinglas. It means that the Language that prevailed and eventually became English was the

language of the Iceni Nation of Eastern England. The Iceni are probably best known through their Queen Boudicca ?

Boddicea, who led a major campaign against the Romans.  Her final conflict with the Romans took place at Gop Paulini or

Paulinus? Gap in North East Wales where it appears that the Romans stood in a natural geographic gap position to avoid

being outflanked by the superior numbers of the British Iceni nation. The largest battlefield grave mound in Britain marks

the site, and a standing stone on a nearby hill is associated with the Queen Boudicca. If the language of the Iceni prevailed

as the foundation or cornerstone of English, and the Iceni are descendants of the Albyne invasion of around 1560 BC then

English is the oldest Language in Britain.


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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2009, 06:04:30 pm »
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If you read this carefully you will note that the Angles and the Saxons were Illiterate meaning they could not read or write.
Then maybe someone can explain WHY THE so called historians and academics who appraised the new discovery claiming it was Saxon overlooked what appears to be writing on some of the finds.? 
Why is it when they get taken to task they always find a way of getting things silenced?  What happened to free speech we were guaranteed? Everyone is entitled to know the truth and if there are lies misinfornations if false information is given the public is entitled to know the truth.  We have proved beyond reasonable doubt that the Sutton Hoo treasure is not Saxon.
Let the academics who claim it is prove beyond reasonable doubt that it is what they claim it to be show us the proof or own up to the lies deciets the establishment foist on us.  We want our real history and we want in now even if it means you losing your lucrative overpaid jobs.

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Hi Alan
Perhaps someone that speaks Greek can translate the writing on the spoons for you.
The second spoon the one that starts with the cross facing to the left it reads
Paul in Greek. I guess is referring to the apostle
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Hi Nickel, good theory except the writing is the old  ancient Coelbren Alphabet which can be found in Moses in the Heiroglyphs.
Yes the same Alphabet translates them even more precisely than J.F. Champollions method that used several languages in order to do it.  The Greek Alphabet is useless when anyone tries to translate the many engravings on memorial stones found in churches in Wales.
The same as it would on all the engraved stones found along the migration trails of the ancients too which were written in the Coelbren Alphabet.  Even more amazing is the fact that the Welsh language is the same language the Egyptian Pharoes spoke.
In the 1850's a strange thing happened in Wales, every teacher was sacked and replaced with English speaking teachers.
Now imagine for one minute that during the second world war Japan were the victors and all the teachers were replaced with Japanese ones?  You had teachers that didnt speak Welsh and children that dindnt speak english.  That actually happened when the lousy rotton English Government decided they would try to demolish the Welsh Language. They of course failed and the same as they did with thier pathetic attempts to distort the truth even today.  Incidentally, there were many attempts to decipher the famous Bat Creek Stone found in Madocs Burial mound.  You say its Greek hmmm, at least its not German or Saxon which is what we believe too.
For a start the Saxons were illiterate pagans, Austin or rather St. Augustine arrived in England not Britain in AD 597 to convert these savages to Christianity.  Because they were illiterate teachers were bought in from Lantwit Major in Wales in order to educate them.
Thats how Oxford and Cambridge came into being.
It appears that nearly 2000 years later so called educated saxons are unable to come to terms with the fact that there was a British History and a British Kingdom. 

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Well done Alan , you realy did put a lot of work into this subject ,and you explained it perfectly , I suppose now that they had that Staffordshire find , it might throw a different light on British history ?

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Thank you Aussie, you at least can see the light at the end of the tunnel now the same as us.
The problem is these academics who never study the old ancient british histories havent got a clue and they go around making wild guesses, claims and assumptions without one iota of proof.
You the gullible members of the public who pay thier salaries are not expected to question their findings because every single one of them were all educated to the highest standard of Sauer Kraut of Hanover in the best Anglo Saxon Vein.
This is why Every other countries history is correct with the exception of British History which is controlled by an English Monarch who is really German. oppps did I say German hmmmm werent they the Saxons?   Devil

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Quote:Posted by Alan Hassell
Hi Nickel, good theory except the writing is the old  ancient Coelbren Alphabet which can be found in Moses in the Heiroglyphs.
Yes the same Alphabet translates them even more precisely than J.F. Champollions method that used several languages in order to do it.  The Greek Alphabet is useless when anyone tries to translate the many engravings on memorial stones found in churches in Wales.
The same as it would on all the engraved stones found along the migration trails of the ancients too which were written in the Coelbren Alphabet.  Even more amazing is the fact that the Welsh language is the same language the Egyptian Pharoes spoke.
In the 1850's a strange thing happened in Wales, every teacher was sacked and replaced with English speaking teachers.
Now imagine for one minute that during the second world war Japan were the victors and all the teachers were replaced with Japanese ones?  You had teachers that didnt speak Welsh and children that dindnt speak english.  That actually happened when the lousy rotton English Government decided they would try to demolish the Welsh Language. They of course failed and the same as they did with thier pathetic attempts to distort the truth even today.  Incidentally, there were many attempts to decipher the famous Bat Creek Stone found in Madocs Burial mound.  You say its Greek hmmm, at least its not German or Saxon which is what we believe too.
For a start the Saxons were illiterate pagans, Austin or rather St. Augustine arrived in England not Britain in AD 597 to convert these savages to Christianity.  Because they were illiterate teachers were bought in from Lantwit Major in Wales in order to educate them.
Thats how Oxford and Cambridge came into being.
It appears that nearly 2000 years later so called educated saxons are unable to come to terms with the fact that there was a British History and a British Kingdom. 


Alan;

You err on several acounts, although  you certainly seem to be right on others.... major and number one: the sassenach were n not illiterate! If you mean by illiterate, they did not read or write in Roman or Greek script, yes, but that is NOT illiterate. The western Gothic peoples had several versions of a script known as Runes, you know this. If you do not, you should! Anyone brought to educate them, did so in Roman script which was the script of early Christians, others being abandonned as pagan.

Before the runes, there was an older script, very little of which has survived. The Scandinavian people had the EDDAS (corresponds to Vedda, of the Indian cultures,) Because they generated the literature, does not make them illiterate. There are lots of rocks, bearing runic scripts, quite readable, yet, even tho one might need an Icelander, to translate. There is also linear or Ogham script.

It may surprise you that I recognize the script on the spoons and it is neither Sassenach runes nor is it Guidellic; it IS simple, ancient Greek that any archaeologist SHOULD have recognized.... it says *PAULOS* What is the Welsh equivalent to (Graeco-Roman) Paulos?? It sure aint Saxon.

Certainly not Saxon, but it says nothing of the origin of the owner, either. As well, I think the first mark is not a cross, but a goldsmith,s mark.... what would be called a guild mark, now.

I agree with what you point out about the ship not being Sais, and the best proof is the iron *bolts.* I must ask you, how did they make threads?? Rivets, yes, nails, yes, bolts, no.

Malungions: This is something I have been studying for about 15 years, and I have a question for you:

IF they descended from Maddoc, how is it that they spoke 17th century English, when first found, and lived in houses with windows, which the natives did not use. Neither houses nor windows. There are a great many things unpublished, about Malungions, until recently (this summer.) You probably are not aware of that material.

It has been proven, to my acceptance, that they were stranded Portuguese sailors, not necessarily of only Portuguese descent.

Perhaps you are not aware that Malovian and Portugese ships fished off the east coast of the American continent, long before Chistiforo Colon! Where do you think he got HIS maps?? The name, probably Malovian, for America was Isle en Haut, which is French but is pronounced the same in Gaelic, and the same legends, or similar, exist in Gaelic speaking areas, about Isle en haut.

The Portugese had *factories,* on the shores of Newfoundland, and slave labour, where the salted fish and rendered whale oil, long before Jean Cabot. A large number of the slave labour escaped, constantly, and mixed with the natives.

There is an inscription on glacially scoured rock (clean, like a slate,) in the pre-runic script, that has been purported to be a treaty between an ancient Scand king and natives, for the natives to supply them with copper. This has been poopooed as *there was no copper, in the area, the natives did not mine copper, nor work it.* But there is lots of copper and the natives did mine it and it was a trade article, going as far as Mexico. Proven fact.

Personally, I take the stories of Maddoc with a grain of salt. As a writer, who has done research, even unorthodox research, I know that certain facts, that do not precisely jibe, can be made reasonable, it is called *regulation.* I realize this is what the English (Sassenach) archaeologists are doing.... regulation, the act of making regular, in order to fit their theories.

You, Alan, are guilty of the same *sin* of regulation! You have formed theories and are trying to make everything fit. Hey, that is OK, it causes a lot of discussion, and some one, who does not like either set of regulations, may set off to find his own proofs, of his own theories. Would you be like the Sassenach archies, and try to quash anything that does not agree with YOUR regulations. I hope not

Your anti-establishmentarianism theories (I do not mean you are a Hippy) will certainly stimulate discussion, for years to come.

Please, get some ancient Greek script references and look at things again. There was some script on the recent find, in England,( by a fellow with a detector.) It was on TV yesterday, but they flashed the articles so fast I could not see the script. I know it was NOT Runic, therefore unlikely to be Saxon, as they are claiming...... *the greatest find since Sutton Hoo,* they said. They also said they would have to revise theories. Strike a count for Alan!

Another problem is: the armour with a mustache.... you said yourself, the Welsh (from wailish a Saxon word, meaning Wild, now we would say wildish,) NEVER used armour.... I have an answer to that argument, but will not put it in your mouth, I want to see if you will get it on your own.  Shocked

I do not want you to get the idea I am antagonistic, toward your ideas and theories. I can only speak to what I have dug up, so  to speak, but have no theories, just loose facts. Some of them seem to fit with yours and some seem contrary.

What about *Saint Brendan?*

The Queen is not entirely German, she has Keith of Keith (Scottish) ancestors... very distantly related to me through that line. The last Earl Marischal Keith, was antiestablishment, but related to Charlie, and his cousin Georgie, also but he really lost his head over it: he stashed Charlie,s regalia and smuggled it out of a besieged castle.... for that he lost his head.

I can see I am going to have to do some research, because the more I find, that fits with what you are saying, of course, the more I will be in agreement.... I am neither English (Sassenach) nor an archaeologist, nor am I even a Christian (none of the widely recognized *religions*). I also have some Welsh Ancestors. Cymru am byd.

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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2009, 02:46:03 pm »
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Goldigger, hmmm picking over my text with a toothcomb are you?  ha ha ha, Firstly before you  start throwing a load of verbal at me it is important that you understand the oldest and purest alphabet in existance. In fact its 4,000 years old and has nothing to do with Runes.

It is also essential that you understand the migrations into Britain who it was that migrated and the reasons why.  You can forget about the word Celts, the British were not Celts in fact they were known as the Khumry who were known to the ancient Assyrian Kings and Emporers as the 10 lost tribes of Israel. If the ancient British were Celtic then all British History is wrong.
But as The British Histories can be substanciated and proven to be correct then the Celtic myth was an invention invented in AD 1714.

Over one million strong Khumry never got lost and always knew where they were and who they were.  The Khumry were subjected to mass deportations from Israel by Assyrian Emporors, Tiglathpileser III, Shalmaneser IV, Sargon II and Sennacherib between 794 - 702 BC.  Their alphabet is found on baked clay tablet texts excavated at the Assyrian Imperial city of Nineveh. The Khumry had thier own Alphabet the Ancient British Coelbren Alphabet.

The Khumry (miscalled "Welsh") retained thier ancient same ancient language and Alphabet and all the anti British propaganda that has endlessy streamed out of Rome and London for centuries will not obliterate that fact.

The Bowl found amongst the Sutton Hoo grave goods featuring the Star of David is a symbol of the House of David the same as many other symbols featured on that dish.
This alone should indicate to anyone with an incling of imagination that it was a possession of a high ranking individual who was a member of the Khumry tribes.

Therefore how could he be Saxon?  As regards what you call rivets the information I got was they were bolts a minor part and topic of the whole thing which in my opinion is getting too picky for my liking.

And thanks to you, I have decided to build my own site dealing with this matter.
I was invited here by Christian to add a little flavour to the site.
I figured I would endeavour to give some of the guys here a chance to learn something about British History.

I suggest you read all of AW and BB's books if you want to learn more about it or have a look at my new website once its up and running.
I could answer all your points but Im taking this as a personal attack on myself and throwing it back at you.

As regards Madoc well a Jim Michaels of Kentucky did much research in the States on the Bat Creek mound, Madoc and Arthur connections.

Before the runes, there was an older script, very little of which has survived. and that script was the Coelbren Alphabet of which you know very little or that Richard the first ordered that it was not to be used in Wales
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Then the Welsh were deprived of paper pen and ink so they could not write.
When Caxton invented the printing Press that too was banned in Wales.
Then the London government sacks all school teachers and puts english teachers in their place and you have pandemonium with kids not speaking english and teachers not speaking Welsh.

And the Roman Catholic Church and London cronies did that because one very important man is buried in Wales and they dont want that information to come out.

You can read my material on my own website when its up an running then I can write what i like use whatever pictures i like and no one can delete them to which i took great offence.
and I thought this was a friendly place to come and educate others.

Theres a lot you know stuff all about even though you might know a lot of interesting things im simply not interested in like runes or even American History.

But there are some people in America who would love to be connected to King Arthur and have theme parks over there too.

I have my own life and Im going to get on with it I dont have to prove anything to anyone anymore, Camelots probably bigger than Tutankhamen only world opinion will force the establishment to do a proper dig on it.

Maybe the chinese, Egyptians or even Americans should do it the people might get an honest report if they did  I wouldnt trust an English academic with two bob yet alone half a crown.

enjoy take care see you have fun amuse yourselves delving for answers







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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2009, 02:57:36 am »
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Quote:Posted by Alan Hassell
Goldigger, hmmm picking over my text with a toothcomb are you?  ha ha ha, Firstly before you  start throwing a load of verbal at me it is important that you understand the oldest and purest alphabet in existance. In fact its 4,000 years old and has nothing to do with Runes.

Over one million strong Khumry never got lost and always knew where they were and who they were.  The Khumry were subjected to mass deportations from Israel by Assyrian Emporors, Tiglathpileser III, Shalmaneser IV, Sargon II and Sennacherib between 794 - 702 BC.  Their alphabet is found on baked clay tablet texts excavated at the Assyrian Imperial city of Nineveh. The Khumry had thier own Alphabet the Ancient British Coelbren Alphabet.


Where did they come from before that?? I know, do you? Also recent finds in Turkey bear out at least part of your story.

I might point out that YOU brought up the connection with North American natives, so I thought I might put that bit to rest. Also, the referred to  stone IS a runic alphabet. Nothing else. Even as such, it is very curious how it got there.

When I say  there was a pre-runic alphabet, I mean one that was common to the Scandinavians, perhaps to Saxons but I doubt it, unfortunately, I can not quote the author claimant because it has been  about 35 years since I happened on to that. It was discredited by archaeology, then, just as you wish to do now.

If you are  referring to the Egyptian alphabet as the 4000 year old object,  you are out by a few thou!

There are scripts predating the Egyptian, but not many

Those people expelled from Turkey  also  had some grisly habits, though understandable.

Actually, you are looking in the wrong place for the origin of the so called Welsh and their relatives. It certainly was not Turkey.... they were only there as mercenaries, because they were known to be Berserkers.

I am glad you can see the wisdom of continuing with a new site.... go for it!

But as you  say: I know what I know, as well. And indeed Sutton Hoo and the recent 5 kg gold find are relatively recent events, when they were brought about, not the finding of them. Actually,  I  would not have been shocked if you had claimed the *Welsh are Lemurians.*  Shocked

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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2009, 08:09:42 am »
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Goldigger, Do you think in care about what you think? Do you think I care or have the slightest interest in your opinion?
Get one thing straight, I come here to post what you might consider trash, rubbish or anything else you want to call it I dont give a flying toss about you your heckling and attempts at debate.
last Feburary I ended up in Barts Coronory Chest Clinic following a heart attack and Im not going to allow anyone to wind me up and cause me to have another heart attack or stroke that includes you.
I was going to stay away from the site because of you and your posts. I guess I will have to lock anything I post in future just to stop Wannabees trying to dispove our methods work.  You waffle on how great your Runes are well tell me what can you claim to have found using them?  You know stuff all about the Coelbren Alphabet because if you did you would of realised what Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett did years ago and that was it was the greatest language ever devised. Your welcome to your opinions as long as you keep them to yourself... I for one am not interested in your half baked theories.  Thank god theres an ignore button on here  hehe
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