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	Re: Strange musket balls. « Reply #10 on: July 07, 2010, 09:17:33 am »

Hi Dave,
I am still researching this weapon and eventually we will find out what, why? and where..........HH........Johnnn

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	Re: Strange musket balls. « Reply #11 on: July 07, 2010, 08:58:47 pm »

Johnnn, the musket ball you had was most likely a cleared ball that was over tamped when using the ramrod. The lead, being soft, expands in the middle. When they are too tight, they have to be removed from the breech by opening the breech and inserting the ramrod from behind or using a screw in ramrod which often failed. Then the lead ball expands again from the other side due to the amount of force being required to push it back out.

That ring is from the ramrod cup pressing way too hard for normal insertion and from doing it again in reverse. Looks like you found an "L" plate learner's mistakes which were never fired. Had the weapon been fired, he might have blown off half his face in the process.

I've seen that sort of shape before during black powder matches. You can ask at a gun shop and they'll tell you that happens sometimes. Also, the patina on the musket balls look like they might be modern vintage rather than 1812. Is that your guess too?

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	Re: Strange musket balls. « Reply #12 on: July 08, 2010, 05:52:25 am »

Hi G D,
Thanks for your input,These ball in most cases haven't been fired some have, as they have obviously impacted against something the others were "extracted" as you suggest.
Going by my own experience these are not modern but somewhere close after 1812 maybe a transitional weapon between the "lead ball" and jacketed cartridge.
Gotta find out what this gun was called. Undecided

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	Re: Strange musket balls. « Reply #13 on: July 08, 2010, 03:57:52 pm »

Johnnn,

Ballistically speaking, those balls would not be at all accurate as they wobbled their way to their intended target. I just cannot imagine them being made that way deliberately. I'd love to see a definitive source document of their manufacture and use. Have you tried the local black powder shooting club? There's one everywhere, mate. Pick up a copy of Shotgun News and you'll see hundreds of them listed i the classifieds.

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	Re: Strange musket balls. « Reply #14 on: July 09, 2010, 08:22:29 am »

Hi G D,
I,m waiting for aresponse from a Musket Rifle expert he should know what this gun makers name was/is as soon as I know I will put this one to rest....HH...Johnnn

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	Re: Strange musket balls. « Reply #15 on: July 11, 2010, 05:21:14 am »

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Hi G D, I,m waiting for aresponse from a Musket Rifle expert he should know what this gun makers name was/is as soon as I know I will put this one to rest....HH...Johnnn

I've almost completely stopped using the phrase "I'm dying to find out what it is." I'm a bit too close to that end to continue to tempt fate. However, I await your answer patiently. Very patiently. Cool

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	Re: Strange musket balls. « Reply #16 on: July 11, 2010, 05:49:00 pm »

Yeah me too!!..........Nope no info yet I sent a message about a week ago.
HH.........Johnnn

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	Re: Strange musket balls. « Reply #17 on: August 26, 2010, 04:09:53 am »

I will find out the make of the musket that fired these. If memory serves they date to the 1830's. I have found quite a few.

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	Re: Strange musket balls. « Reply #18 on: December 12, 2010, 04:57:11 pm »

They are Belted ball for the 2-Groove Brunswick or Jacobson Rifle.Pretty rare. Don't see many. I've seen more Whitworth than those. Nice find...JR

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	Re: Strange musket balls. « Reply #19 on: December 18, 2010, 07:28:22 pm »

I have see something similar to your photos, on a Civil War blockade runner wreck off NC coast. I was told at the time these were fired in a bag or pouch from smooth bore cannon. The idea of the shape is to insure a wide pattern. Your find may be of the some purpose.

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