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	Civil War Era Bullets? « on: April 23, 2011, 11:05:31 pm »

Found these two bullets today at a forest preserve in Chicago. Yes, I know that no civil war battle was fought in the Chicago area. However, we had the Camp Davis training camp that was later made into a POW prison. But, is there any possibility that these bullets were from the Civil War era? Any other information would be appreciated.

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	Re: Civil War Era Bullets? « Reply #1 on: April 24, 2011, 01:44:33 pm »

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Found these two bullets today at a forest preserve in Chicago. Yes, I know that no civil war battle was fought in the Chicago area. However, we had the Camp Davis training camp that was later made into a POW prison. But, is there any possibility that these bullets were from the Civil War era? Any other information would be appreciated.

It seems that these bullets could be related to the Indian Wars, but not certain about it.

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	Re: Civil War Era Bullets? « Reply #2 on: April 24, 2011, 02:44:18 pm »

It would be helpful if you could give a diameter measurement or place them on a machinist rule in the photo.

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	Re: Civil War Era Bullets? « Reply #3 on: April 25, 2011, 06:52:08 am »

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It would be helpful if you could give a diameter measurement or place them on a machinist rule in the photo.

Thanks Homefire. They are about 1.0" long and 3/16" in diameter. Two folks from another forum said they are from the Indian Wars era. They might have been fired 130 years ago or even 20 years ago by firearms collectors. However, by the way they look, it seems that they were fired a long time ago. What do you think?

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	Re: Civil War Era Bullets? « Reply #4 on: April 25, 2011, 07:12:11 am »

Without a doubt they are old,but how old is the question?
If I had to guess I would think some time before the civil war,but then I could be totally off on this one.
Regardless of the age they are a nice find.... Great

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	Re: Civil War Era Bullets? « Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 04:42:32 pm »

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Without a doubt they are old,but how old is the question? If I had to guess I would think some time before the civil war,but then I could be totally off on this one. Regardless of the age they are a nice find....

I found out that these bullets are Springfield 45-70, 500gr., spent during Indian Wars post the Civil War. Probably fired by a civilian a long time though. The Chicago area did not witness Indian Wars past the Civil War. Most of them ocurred prior to 1833. Happy to have found these antique artifacts of war.

As extracted from elsewhere: The .45-70 rifle cartridge, also known as .45-70 Government, was developed at the U.S. Army's Springfield Armory for use in the Springfield Model 1873 .45 caliber rifle, known to collectors (but never to the Army) as the "Trapdoor Springfield." The new cartridge was a replacement for the stop-gap .50-70 Government cartridge which had been adopted in 1866, one year after the end of the American Civil War.

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	Re: Civil War Era Bullets? « Reply #6 on: April 25, 2011, 08:29:07 pm »

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I found out that these bullets are Springfield 45-70, 500gr., spent during Indian Wars post the Civil War. Probably fired by a civilian a long time though.

The latest news is that these bullets could've been fired by bison hunters in the Chicago area plaines, actually in the same area I found them. The Bison Hunting era coincides with the fabrication of these bullets and the Indian Wars era. My wife, who was detecting with me on another area of the woods, also found one, but unfortunately, not knowing it was an old bullet deemed it as trash and later dumped it with the rest of her trash. Cry

. We might go again to the same area this week to look for more. Cheesy

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	Re: Civil War Era Bullets? « Reply #7 on: April 26, 2011, 09:02:59 am »

Nice research,well now I know
Thanks for the history and info.... Great

Posted on: April 26, 2011, 08:45:06 AM

MY dad was a world war 2 vet and while overseas he brought back a couple rifles.One was a old 3 barrel gun,two side by side 16 gauge shotgun and a 45-70Gov.under.There is a trap door in the rear bottom of the stock that holds 5 shells and one is still there,this is the only way that I knew it was a 45-70 Gov.bore.It has a lever on the rear of stock to flip up the rifle sight. I have never seen any gun like that before so I would think it rare,but you never know there could be some country over there that has a crap load of them.
A very neat gun for sure..... Great

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	Re: Civil War Era Bullets? « Reply #8 on: April 26, 2011, 09:19:48 am »

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The latest news is that these bullets could've been fired by bison hunters in the Chicago area

Bison on Diversey? I guess I should check out the traffic cams.

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	Re: Re: Re: Civil War Era Bullets? « Reply #9 on: April 26, 2011, 11:22:25 am »

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Nice research,well now I know Thanks for the history and info.... Posted on: April 26, 2011, 08:45:06 AM MY dad was a world war 2 vet and while overseas he brought back a couple rifles.One was a old 3 barrel gun,two side by side 16 gauge shotgun and a 45-70Gov.under.There is a trap door in the rear bottom of the stock that holds 5 shells and one is still there,this is the only way that I knew it was a 45-70 Gov.bore.It has a lever on the rear of stock to flip up the rifle sight. I have never seen any gun like that before so I would think it rare,but you never know there could be some country over there that has a crap load of them. A very neat gun for sure.....

No problem. History behind my finds is the main reason I do this for. It's amazing how firearms evolved as a result of the American Civil War!
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