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« on: July 14, 2011, 04:59:50 am »
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Hi Guys

Could this possibly be a musket ball? as it dose not have a hole in it I figure that it cant be a sinker.

Material lead

Dimension 20mm  big side to big side and 17.5mm  big side to small side .

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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2011, 06:16:50 am »
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20 mm is on the large side, but still in the range. Since it looks like it has been fired it probably was some where in between the two sizes originally. Also it may not have been a "standard" size to begin with. Early gun makers used to make bullet molds to fit their guns since the barrels may not be "standard".  And something of that size would probably be expected in South Africa with big game there. 

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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2011, 06:20:39 am »
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hi i think it is a sinker for nets here they call it hand held nets and when its thrown the lead balls are all around which helps to widely open then net and then sink it in the river

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2011, 12:17:05 pm »
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Xavier, look up the use of grapeshot in the Boer War.

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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2011, 01:21:11 pm »
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Xavier, I have some musket shot exactly the same as those but mine measure from 16.03mm
to 17.63mm and I have some pistol shot that measure 12.94 to 13.14.
And some from the 1300s / 1400s that measure 6.77,
The weapons that fired these shot came with a matched set of casting molds that only
fitted that particular weapon,

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Posted on: July 14, 2011, 12:58:34 PM
And I have some that are 9.67 mm

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Posted on: July 14, 2011, 01:00:26 PM
Xavier, just a thought, the size of these things varies so much up to 2 or 3mm per caliber

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20 mm is .78 inch. possible .75 cal.

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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2011, 04:11:02 pm »
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OK so let me see I will do like GD suggested first the sinker that kabierkabier mentioned is out as it would have a hole going thought it.

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    but a bit late now for me so will continue the search tomorrow

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xavier, followed your link on the Boer war. It was facinating. I had no idea it was so long or involved. gambol.

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Another thing I have noticed is because these shot i have because they are so old they have a thick white
hard powder coating that is poisonous that is about 040"thou thick.

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OK, I'll just say it outright. What you have there is a single piece from a grapeshot stack from the mid to late 1800s. Too big for a rifle and the telltale sign is the flattened, obloid shape. See the image of an unfired grapeshot stack here:

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This is loaded in the cannon and fired. As it travels through the barrel, it compresses the shot which then exits the stack as it spins but stays in a tight pattern. Grapeshot was the most feared and deadly projectile of the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. It could clear a path through the enemy on the ground like nothing else. One shot could also destroy another cannon by demolishing its carriage and killing the artillerymen as it ricocheted from the metal surfaces of the other gun. Nasty stuff. And you found one.

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