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« on: July 24, 2011, 01:08:39 pm »
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Hello, I have been returning to a former woolen mill since my father introduced me to what we named Button Island in the late 1960's/early 1970's.  According to the grandson of one of the former mill owners, used clothing sold for rags were placed in large vats of acid.  Every fabric which was not woolen would dissolve, and the buttons would sink to the bottom.  The buttons were dropped into the stream.  The remaining wool was recycled into "new" cloth, some of which was used for the manufacture of Union soldier uniforms.  

I recently found a lead tax seal with a beehive and bees impressed in the metal.  Can anyone lead me to figuring out where from and what product the seal was used for, if not the obvious?

Thank you.  This is the first forum I have ever written to about treasure hunting.  I look forward to hearing from any and all.  Best - Susan  

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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 02:01:27 pm »
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Susan! "HEY" from NC. Welcome to T-Huntin. I cant help you with your question but someone
will probably help you out.Sounds pretty interesting though.ARR! Detecting. Good luck.

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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2011, 02:02:32 pm »
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Susan

Welcome from Texas.
Would like to help you out but think we need a picture to make it easier.

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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2011, 12:51:12 pm »
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Thanks for the suggestion to attach a photo of the lead tax seal.  I'm having trouble attaching for some reason.  I keep getting an error message that the file (only 2.5MB!!) is too large!  Here goes again.  "Your file is too big..." Susan

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Tax seal? Only a very tiny percentage of lead seals are tax seals. Mainly those used to seal bags of items to be taxed or on which tax was levied. What you have is a bag seal and the beehive is a clue to its use. So far, most of my cursory searching indicates that it comes from use in the 1600s although more recent copies if it may exist.

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2011, 05:36:34 pm »
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Thanks, GoldDigger1950.  Would you share your source for the information?  Greatly appreciate your feedback already.  Susan

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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2011, 10:07:10 pm »
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Susan, Welcome to the board. Your seal is an interesting piece. One that an novice like me might have overlooked. I hope to see you around here more with interesting finds. Your story about using acid to separate out the wool makes you appreciate the abundance we have now.  These people are both helpful and knowledgable you will find. gambol Great

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Thanks, GoldDigger1950.  Would you share your source for the information?  Greatly appreciate your feedback already.  Susan

The college of hard knocks. In days gone by, a wire with a lead slug at the end was used to seal any medium security bag of goods. The Post Office in the US used them. So did Railway Express, Wells Fargo and Butterfield. The latter two were stage coach companies.

To seal them, a special pair of pliers with the ability to crush the seal and leave an image embossed on them was used. The pliers sometimes only had numbers. Other times, there were images or maps in miniature which were embossed into the seal. Nothing special to open those old seals. Just yank the wire and it snapped. But, if it was intact, you could guarantee it hadn't been opened. To really seal something, a padlock was the answer.

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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2011, 12:52:44 pm »
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Lead seals can be pretty tough to ID. And since bees are "Industrious" a lot of companies used the beehive. I would suggest first checking out the history of the cloth mill and seeing if it is directly linked.

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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2011, 01:28:57 pm »
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Thanks for your feedback.  I will try the extended database from my public library to research further.  I'll let you know if I dig -ahem- up anything.  Susan

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