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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2009, 10:02:39 pm »
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Thanks, Cap Miwa..actually, being newbies, we tried this (bought by a cousin here in the states and brought there}..it was more confusing when we tried it....til then...

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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2009, 10:41:40 pm »
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Thanks, Cap Miwa..actually, being newbies, we tried this (bought by a cousin here in the states and brought there}..it was more confusing when we tried it....til then...


That's what I am saying.....To operate is another story

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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2009, 10:49:32 pm »
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elizabeth villa,

     Mas_Kara & cap miwa is right. Each metal detector have specific capability according to the needs of the costumer depending on the nature of requirement. The majority of metal detector designed by the manufacturer are capable to the coin hunting becoz this is the big market requirement.

     In Phil. we dont need a coin hunter, our need is MD that can detect more depper much better. The OKM and Lorenz is the right manufacturer ( very expensive MD ) for this kind of detection. But according to my research someone here in Phil. is have this machine and no one claim that he found the site by using this machine. This kind of machine can help to guide TH to know where is the deposit when he near on the target at least less than 10 ft. 1st thing you need the positive site that can back-up by markings and also the testimony of old resident.

     What is the location of your posible site of your project. ( if you don't want to post here you can e-mail me ). Becoz on other forum someone can give help for detecting and maybe I can help to, soon.

    

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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2009, 11:29:19 pm »
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Yes...thanks for all your replies..i was researching OKM and Lorenz...that's right..they are expensive especially the Lorenz with scanner...but how does a scanner work if you want to know if the deposit is behind a wall of cement?...

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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2009, 11:43:50 pm »
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Think it this way during the 60's up to early 80's original TH hunters did not need detectors or other gadgets but their percentage of recovery is much higher than today or if not they are accurate and much successful in finding buried loots. They only relied on Live pointers, maps and purely skills.
Today's TH are obsessed with all kind of gadgets, like detectors, dowsing and even cameras that they say can take photos of auras of gold emitting from the ground. These sort of stuff just make everything complicated and confused everything. When Fidel Ramos (tabako) became the president, he put up a recovery team. One of them is a friend and he was the interpreter of the team. Ramos also hired an Israeli with a sophisticated sonar gadget but his high tech machine did not produced results nor help them in finding buried loots. You see the local TH just relied on interpretation of signs, markers and skills. If you do not have these attributes even the best gadget will not give you results.

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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2009, 11:58:59 pm »
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actually, it is more often that a the combination of both or all that yields to a successful recovery. in one of our sites, we have the living pointer who was one of those who hauled one of the items burried by the japanese soldiers. however, he only saw the face of the tunnel where he left the item but was not allowed to get inside, japanese soldiers forbid anybody to get into their burrials unless they kill them or pluck their eyes later. In short, we discovered the opening of the tunnel which was closed down by very thick cement layer. but underneath, the living pointer can no longer identify which way to go that we needed the aid of detectors/scanners. without it, we were lost.

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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2009, 12:17:57 am »
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That's true, Mas Kara, absolutely...so, is there a way I can avail of codes to interpret markers we saw along the way?..we think we have already missed it (them)...

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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2009, 12:24:04 am »
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Cap Miwa...i know you use a detector by using it horizontally on the ground...what if you want to know if the deposit is behind a wall?...do you use Lorenz?..is it with a scanner?..

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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2009, 03:00:17 am »
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Good Day to all!

From a newbie like me, may we ask the "old-timers" to please list down all the gadgets they have already encountered/tested and recommend the best "group" or "package" of these equipments for say example - beaches/rivers/creeks then sloping terrains then mountains then for flat surfaces then for caves/tunnels etc etc... As said these will help us with our "little partners" who knows a little bit about history and markings.

Sa Lahat, Salamat po!

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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2009, 07:48:14 am »
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To all newbie and veterans alike, Vourvon has said that he will assemble a reliable detector out of the diagrams from expensive detectors and combine this with his electronic expertise and capability to create a reliable detector design purposely for Yam loots. Hope Vourvon will soon come up with his unique version. Believe in Filipino ingenuity. And if there are any electronic expert out there touch base with Vourvon.

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You are definitely right that it is the combination of everything, but what I mean is, that manpower and gadgets should work in a very successful manner side by side, skills & reliable gadgets gets the job done 50% pointers, maps, signs and markers complete the missing puzzle. If one of the two will fail it will just make your job diffi. Worst if both fails, no skills & not right gadgets you are doomed.
Also as Cap said some live pointers are face with a blank wall after what they realized their recollection is limited. The Japanese are very clever they leave the first batch of diggers alive. Then they take another batch of diggers and let them dig horizontally (going away) from the first dig. after that they either kill them or keep them alive then they take again another batch of diggers to dig in another direction they do this multiple times in different ways then they execute all the diggers and most of the time including their own also to be buried together with the loot.
So then it became a myth that the executed diggers where to be the guardians. But the real truth is that they executed witnesses to cover their tracks and make it hard for future recovery. But they also chose a few trusted men to keep the secret and unlock it latter for future recovery. Those where the people that cooperated with APO, other local TH, Japanese and foreigners. That's why they did not need gadgets at all during those adventures.
So out there don't be surprise if your pointer have limited recollection and also detectors gets confused b'coz Japanese purposely put in place a lot of decoys to prevent future technology in detecting these loots, not spirit guardians moving the loot whenever they choose.
But who knows that's why there is so called super natural they can control the unknowns and all matters of the earth b'coz they themselves stayed behind and are now one with nature. They did not return to their creator. Scary isn't it, ask permission first to the unknown and leave them something behind when you are successful do not be greedy. It defeats their purpose to stay with the wealth. If they have no more to guard they will disappear completely you are lucky if they are tired guarding and wanted to go back with their creator but if they think leaving nothing for them as their reward will make them angry. They will make your life miserable.
Why Marcos still left behind most of his loot in their original burial ground (not reburied as other TH claims, It's hard to fathom moving these tons of gold to another cave) because he believed in super natural it was also rumored that he was given by Aglipay a talisman or anting anting.
But don't you know that Marcos is so genius that all those gold that he is keeping in the caves or anywhere is back up by Gold certificates? Why would you move it when you have the power to make such claims? 

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