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« on: March 21, 2010, 09:54:34 pm »
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I saw recently that a ship in the outer banks due to storms had moved about 2 miles from where it sank years ago. Is it safe to assume that smaller treasure "coins, goblets, dishes, etc" would also be moved around by stronger than normal ocean currents? Thanks for you help upsmanpa

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I have 18x24 signed Giclee Stretched Canvas prints are available for $200 each. The entire set will go for $700. This is the demise of the 1715 Spanish Plate (silver) Fleet in a Hurricane and has been two years in the making. I hope you like it. This didn
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2010, 10:33:22 am »
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Absolutely!

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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2010, 04:23:18 pm »
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Bigger question "would be how far would the smaller types of treasure move relative to the main wreck and what would be the major factors in determining what moved where? "   That could involve some complicated modelling... best I can guess is the debris would be scattered from the original site to the new site with location depending upon object density and size and its initial location on or near the wreck.

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2010, 04:30:17 pm »
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Well Said BA, thanks Aquanut. I'm still trying to figure out what the tides mean and how they work. There is so much to learn, but thats the fun part, Good fortune follows the prepared!

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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2010, 05:14:41 pm »
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The initial storm, if that was the case, would move buoyant stuff and the buoyant containers holding not so buoyant stuff (treasure etc.)  wherever it's winds and currents determined. After that, subsequent storms moved it to a lesser degree.
The dynamics involved are extremely complicated and have been discussed at length especially as it applies to the 1715 Plate fleet off the coast of Florida. This is not a question that will have any simple solutions, for subsequent storms could even move stuff back to the point where they originally rested, kind of messing with any theories you might have. You can rest assured, however, barring an earthquake, the cannons once off the cannon decks won't move from where they were dumped even though it might be some distance from where the bottom holding it's silver bars was torn out.
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2011, 06:30:50 am »
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Very interesting and way above my head. My question would be is it possible to predict through tested means the movement of a weighted object on a given ocean bottom through a hurricane or storm, and through ordinary currents. If so, a kind of trend might be predicted.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2011, 01:29:57 pm »
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Through ordinary currents for a specific location, probably.   But when you start throwing in the other variables such as hurricanes and other storms coming from different directions with different velocities and different durations, especially over a time span ranging from 75 to 500 years your odds of accurate modelling go way down.....way to many variables.  Aquanut probably given you about as good of an explanation as you can expect unless you really want to dive into fluid dynamics, computer modelling, etc.

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2011, 08:41:15 am »
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We fish off the NC coast and belonging to the fishing crew of about six, and being in the retirement age...I function mostly as cook.  It occurred to me that if we had some numbers of approximate location of some of these wrecks, it would be great to fashion some kind of bucket or scoop to let down to sample the surface sand for any finds....particularly small objects or coins.  You'd probably need a shrimp boat to scrap anything across the surface....but to let down in a fairly stationary position, a weighted cone that would open up when the sand is penetrated, and closed to capture the sample might work.  My imagination runs wild. Like looking for a needle in a hay stack. But the chances become greater the closer one samples to the wreck. Or, sampling along a predicted path the wreck might take in a storm or hurricane.

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