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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2010, 05:51:28 pm »
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Do you think the lava flowed from Mount Ararat? Good pictures at the link. You mentioned Moz and I started looking around and have been at this web page about Vayots Dzor for a long time. Have you seen the Cyclopes forts that it mentions?

armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Rediscovering_Armenia_Guidebook-_Vayots_Dzor_Marz

GD,  Maybe snow was present when the volcano erupted. 



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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2010, 10:03:10 pm »
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Quote:Posted by Out4gold
Perhaps there is a need to involve some more informed personnel in
this and remove some of the overburden "surrounding soil".
This is only to see if there is a "trail of footprints" they do appear suspicious.
If they are genuine and not carved, there may be some significance to this "find".
1. The deposits need to be graded to how old it is.
2. Authenticating the impressions are of some importance.
3. Keep the curious out of the area. "Theives"
4. Population centers: How close are they?
5. Do not allow Creationists to involve themselves in this.
    Whether the impressions are real or not they will declare it as proof
    of "Biblical Creation".
    Keep it pure science and your credibility will be sustained.


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So........if someone believes in creation you automatically assume that they are incorrect and incapable of adding a rational comment based on Bible history and science? John in Va.

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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2010, 10:24:22 pm »
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Sue, even snow wouldn't allow anyone to walk on lava soft enough to leave a footprint. I checked with a sculptor friend of mine and he suggested it was someone's attempt at art. I called him to ask about using his sort of tools to carve footprints in igneous rock and he replied that he had a recollection of that being done around the world for some sort of recognition thing or fundraiser.

Just as a point of reference, a kitchen oven normally peaks at 475F and will burn a blister into your skin instantly and leave first degree burns in that instant. Second degree burns at 3 seconds and third degree burns at 4 seconds. Lava is liquid at 1300F to 1400F burning skin and bone to ash in less than a second. Lava is also quite dense. You can't really put a footprint into it even when completely liquid because your leg would be burned to a stump in an instant and the lava settle back at its own mean level in that same instant. It just cannot happen in lava. In mud, yes, which can then turn into sandstone and limestone. The fossil record has many examples of human footprints but none of them are in igneous rock.

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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2010, 05:17:30 am »
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Sue, the Mount Ararat is too far from that place. I was in Vayots Dzor many times, the people living there told me about a big mount in nearest. Many times ago, lava and ash covered the big trade town Moz. The cover thikness is about 20 m. The legend say that a some time after that heared cries from under ground. The name "Vayots Dzor" is verbatim the "Cries Gorge". Sometime a shepherds found a carpet fragments from  caverns.

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2010, 07:07:41 am »
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Great story about the buried town. John in Va.

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2010, 08:57:11 am »
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GoldDigger1950, I also don't trust a vulcanic origin, but if I consider, that semi-molten lava hasn't too high temperature, become cool very slow due extremely bad  thermal conductivity and a thin crust may protect foots from momentary burning.....may be, may be...

See the pic IMG_1671_jpg. I don't seen backtrace of tools there. Looking more like
pressed into print.

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2010, 09:12:56 am »
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There are no prints in igneous rock on record. Out of 8 to 10  prints reported a year less then 5% are real most are resent fakes and the few that are old have proven to be ancient art work. 

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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2010, 09:30:42 am »
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GD, Understand re: snow Since there's vegetation around the basalt, I was thinking maybe it was from a blast instead of flow and that something could have cooled it quickly. It had to have been set up / cooled off enough to support someone enough that they just didn't sink in. It was a stupid thing to say though  Smiley plus doubtful that anyone would be going around barefoot in snow.

Hmm, art. That's possible. Sasha didn't say when the 90 yr old gentleman first saw it. I was assuming long ago  because word surely have spread locally about some artist carving footprints in rock. Maybe the locals show it to visitors, just for fun, all the while knowing it's art.

Sasha, interesting about the legend of Vayots Dzor. Someone living in a cave could easily have been trapped. Sue

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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2010, 11:31:13 am »
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Sue, I said about old gentleman: "He was born and lived here and knew about that from childhood". The art, - that's possible because the uniquely Armenian form of art, was a stone  carving art:

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But the 90 years old gentleman Hamlet Muradyan has its own explanation... Wise

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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2010, 12:02:33 pm »
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The Khachkars are amazing - especially the lacy ornate ones - did you read about the one with diamonds that disappeared? There seems to be an usually high number of monasteries in the area, maybe they are just uncommon here. Yes, you did say from childhood - my oops. I'll be waiting to hear what Hamlet's explanation is - he struck me as being quite a wise owl.

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