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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2010, 12:56:18 pm »
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Cccalco, in the past I have found alleged transcriptions that were just full of errors. In researching Border Field Park in San Diego, some articles were transcribed by paraphrasing and updating of language and grammar. This had the strange effect of changing the meaning of many reported events. Couple that with the fact that a lot of news stories are hyperbole and you have the potential for a great amount of incorrect information. There is no guarantee that a newspaper of any period is accurate. In fact, unlike today's on line version, retractions and corrections often occurred days or weeks after the original article.

Always treat every lead as if it is incorrect. Keep looking for your answers.

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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2010, 01:15:54 pm »
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           GD brings up a really valid point when he says "unlike today's on line version, retractions and corrections often occurred days or weeks after the original article."
           Too often people stop searching through the papers after they find what they think they are looking for.   They really should read through at least several more issues just to make sure.    A case that I can personally point to involves the legend that a safe was swept away from Fool's Gulch and never recovered when the dam at Walnut Creek broke and destroyed Wickenburg, Arizona in 1890.   This legend has appeared in many Treasure Hunting magazines, books, and websites over the years.  Since I live in the area, I thought the safe might be worth looking for......so after confirming some of the details with a set of topographic maps, I went to the Phoenix Public Library and started reading the microfilm copies of the Phoenix and Prescott newspapers for that period.  It did not take me long to verify that the safe had actually been swept away and had not been found (at the time the report was written).  Even better, the information about the safe came from Yavapai County Sheriff Buckey O'Neill, who together with the Maricopa County sheriff who had accompanied him brought the first detailed reports of the flood to Phoenix.   For various reasons' I considered Buckey O'Neill's word to be gold on the subject (and I still do)....Needless to say I really got excited about the prospects.   And the more I read, the more excited I got---Until I got to a flood update 10 to 14 days later where Sheriff Buckey O'Neill reported that the missing safe had been recovered a few days before.....End of my hunt ( but not the end of the hunt for those people who based their search on only the initial report).

     So, just because you think you've found supporting evidence.....keep working the source until you've exhausted ALL the references.

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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2010, 03:12:57 pm »
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The biggest problem here is that its very hard to post any scans from the original papers and make them readable. There just isnt enough data in a 100kb pic.

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2010, 03:25:30 pm »
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Gentlemen, I am in no way vouching for the creditability of the newspapers of any century. Much of what passes for news both in the past and now is nothing more that the editorial view of the publishers. I am far more comfortable with the professional transcription of these documents than I am the original documents when it comes to moral integrity and academic standards.   No one has yet shown to me where any of the newspapers were improperly transcribed.
The only supportive evidence that I am using these period papers to support is the fact that the K.G.C. was covered in contemporary periodicals and to offer some insight into what was indeed written of them at that time.

The Knights of the Golden Circle Archive Research and Historical Forum ,

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2010, 03:39:25 pm »
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Just so you know, I have no problem accepting that the Knights of the Golden Circle existed and that they were extensively written about during the period.   For my part, I concede the existence of the KGC has been documented.  (I also believe in the Knights Templar, the Rosicrucians, the Rothschilds, etc, etc)  However, it does not necessarily follow that I believe the legends associated with them or that certain people who legend claims were associated with them in fact were, or even that if it can be shown beyond a reasonable doubt that said person(s) was associated with the KGC at some point in his life his subsequent actions were a result of and in support of his KGC connection.......It also doesn't follow that I'm going to dismiss those possibilities out have hand.

For my part, I'm just saying if you are going to do the research with the end of uncovering any caches that may exist it would be wise to take GD's advice.   If you are just doing the research for the sake of curiosity as some of us are doing in the case of Doc Noss and Victorio Peak, making sure you have all the i's dotted and all the t's crossed is less important (but still recommended).

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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2010, 06:00:17 pm »
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The biggest problem here is that its very hard to post any scans from the original papers and make them readable. There just isnt enough data in a 100kb pic.


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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2010, 01:30:43 am »
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It thrills me to read the stories of the KGC and the prospects of real treasure to be found right here in my own back yard, but yet, it disturbes me to find that a lot of the research people do on this is to repeat the same old newspaper articles over and over.  I mean, look at reply #2 in this very thread.  You've got four articles from four different sources expousing the exact same thing... Not just articles on the same topic... but word for word repititions of the same article.  This does not in any way indicate that the information is a fact.  It indicates that one news source picked up the information from another news source and simply re-printed it.  How do we verify that the ultimate origial writer of the article knew the difference between his butt and a hole in the ground?  Just because it was picked up by umpteen newspapers and reprinted doesn't absolutely imply any bearing on whether there's any truth to it.  Just because the story is expounded on by another writer has absolutely no bearing to whether there's any truth to it.  Show me the money honey, then I'll believe.

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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2010, 06:18:41 am »
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Quote:Posted by bigwater
It thrills me to read the stories of the KGC and the prospects of real treasure to be found right here in my own back yard, but yet, it disturbes me to find that a lot of the research people do on this is to repeat the same old newspaper articles over and over.  I mean, look at reply #2 in this very thread.  You've got four articles from four different sources expousing the exact same thing... Not just articles on the same topic... but word for word repititions of the same article.  This does not in any way indicate that the information is a fact.  It indicates that one news source picked up the information from another news source and simply re-printed it.  How do we verify that the ultimate origial writer of the article knew the difference between his butt and a hole in the ground?  Just because it was picked up by umpteen newspapers and reprinted doesn't absolutely imply any bearing on whether there's any truth to it.  Just because the story is expounded on by another writer has absolutely no bearing to whether there's any truth to it.  Show me the money honey, then I'll believe.

The title of this topic is "Historical Newspaper articles abt KGC" It is offered only to show a glimpse into the contemporary coverage of the Knights. The only "redundant" post was the one in which I attempted to show that the "female spy" was picked up and ran again in so many papers as though it was a 19th century AP article.

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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2010, 08:07:34 am »
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read all about it!! looks like its been a popular subject for many years especially back in the 1860's

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Cccalco and Onally, thank you for bringing to our attention the wealth of articles and books, individually valid or not, that have been written over the years on this topic.  For anyone interested in researching KGC, your lists represent good starting points.  Debating the validity of any particular work listed or its usefulness to anyone searching for treasure would probably be best done under a separate topic(s)........And I would LOVE to see a few of those started.

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