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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2012, 08:50:51 pm »
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and I'm glad I kicked it off alittle more with my profound remark of Rome's Butchers, that maybe helped to entice this fine reply of truth from you. LOL

Well done my man!  Great

My remarks as well as Homie's remarks on the Spainish Main and the other correct members that have been posted are not opinions, but rather they are cold hard facts!!!  Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2012, 10:33:14 pm »
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Quote:Posted by Poseidon-Jim
I for the life of me, have no idea why you would think of Odyssey Marine as being thieves, for there own discovery and finds?


Actually... it was a court of law in the United States that determined Odyssey Marine was guilty of thievery. As far as myself 'thinking of Odyssey Marine as being thieves'... that's not a issue. I am just reporting the verdict of the trial.


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Your opinions are not actually "facts", my Friend  ;o)


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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2012, 10:49:13 pm »
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Hello RO,

Interesting thread here BTW.

I understand you just reported the verdict of what the US court ruled, its fine mate.

But, we all know that the courts don't always do the right thing or make the right decisions in cases, that the judges on a panel are usually over 50% liberal out of the total who each vote and that the courts have made many errors such as Roe V. Wade and The Gun Control Act, the Illegals in this country, etc...It's clear that the Courts have error-ed and been wrong on many judgements. They appear to be out of touch with common law, as well as prior case law and the voice of America from time to time.

Anyway, I realize you just were getting your viewpoints across & that's your right to do so of course and thank God this is a free country where we can voice our thoughts. There are a few of us here who just disagree & had to voice our concerns which are held by a large percentage of the US I would say. Enjoyed the thread and chance to voice my feelings.

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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2012, 11:18:07 pm »
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I understand you just reported the verdict of what the US court ruled, its fine mate.


Of course it's fine. And, of course the "losers" are going to whine and bellyache about how the courts were wrong, because the courts did not side with them.

Carry-on with the whining.   Shocked)


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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2012, 11:41:14 pm »
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No one whining here.  Just stating Facts.

Who do you think Dug that gold ?   The Spaniards?    LOL





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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2012, 09:39:25 am »
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they should get a  reward or recovery costs paid they brought the items back to light and now the world can view and study those items that would possibly  have been lost for ever if spain says its their cultural heritage they should thank the ones who found/ saved it for their future generations  since goverments long before current one either couldn't recover /save it or had not even tried regardless of outcome of court  glad they brought it up so folks can see it  it may also help the cultural heritage of the people from the countries that spain took it from as well josey

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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2012, 01:32:20 pm »
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Sure. Why Not. What else is new in this modern society of ours. Spain plunders the world, wipes out civilizations, but then loses some of their booty. Spain just let's someone else spend time. money and resources knowing some idiot judge would give it right back to them.  End of rant.  Teach

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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2012, 02:23:57 pm »
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And to add Insult to Injury, Check this out.



Spanish Law re Metal Detecting

We all know of detectorists going to Spain who take their metal detectors with them, to "do" the beaches. Most of them don't seem to have any problems, but they could!

If you consult with the Spanish Tourist Office in London their general information sheet states "The use of metal detectors is not allowed unless an import license for the detector has previously been issued. Further enquiries should be made to the Spanish Commercial Office. The Commercial Office in turn will provide the following info (in brief):

Because the use of metal detectors inherantly involves the finding of national heritage/archaeological/treasure trove items anything found by this method of recovery could be covered by the relevant law (Historical Heritage) of 25/06/1985 & Royal Decree of 10/01/1986. It would then be necessary to comply with the complex proceedures outlined in these enactments, making it highly unlikely that any item discovered could be removed from Spain. The consent if given can take several months and if of historical/artistic interest it would be unlikely.

Basically they are saying anything found should in theory go through the appropriate assessment, even current coinage!

There is further legislation unrelated to the historical /cultural aspect which could cause a detectorist problems. The metal detector being used may not comply with radiation safeguard legislation.

Finally if this hasn't put you off. There have be complaints from local Naval authorities that use of Metal Detectors interferes with electronic communications.

These problems relate to both land and beach detecting in Spain.

The official advise therefore, is that is preferable NOT to use metal detectors in Spain.
 


For those of you looking to detect in the Murcia region of Spain the following link to adaptsanpedro.eu may be of interest. There is a group of detectorists who have set up their own group in this area.



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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2012, 03:11:30 pm »
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  Ridge Runner and Poseidon Jim have it right. International waters combined with a wreck that has been abandoned for centuries adds up to the finders keeping the loot period.  Salvage companies live by this one law and it is never disputed.

  I have done work for a company in the Gulf of Mexico named Odyssea Marine although I don't know if they are the same group that I know but either way, spain has a lot of nerve trying to claim anything in international waters period.  There are Spanish coins floating up onto South American beaches by the dozens every year and the surely aren't worried about them.

  Anyone who disagrees with this is delusional.

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« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2012, 03:28:05 pm »
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i agree 100%it should be finders keepers   Rider  france and other countries will probably try to do the same  i saw one show were they were buzzing their ship with french military hellicopter  even though they were in international waters  if these countries want this stuff  they need to search it out themselves  not take it away from those that have .

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