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« on: March 31, 2010, 08:24:36 pm »
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Hi,

I'm posting images of  a ship's bell which our company excavated underwater. Its inscription are the following " VAN TOMAS ANTONIS Z IAAR 1722 DEN 24 APRIL TER GEDACT".

Can anybody have a knwowledge about the inscribed name in the Bell. We have not identifgied yet the name of the shipwreck inspite of the many artifacts lifted like Red Copper Ingots, Breast Plate of the 80th Foot Regiment, Straforshire Volunteers, Copper bands with Inscription of the East India Company (EIC).

The artifacts are too many to be posted.

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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2010, 08:30:56 pm »
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I wish I could help you, I just wanted to say thanks for the pics!

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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2010, 04:44:52 pm »
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Other than saying the inscription would indicate the ship is probably of Dutch origin, I haven't a clue about the ship.    I did find this about the regiment, though
 

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"Sailed from Trincomalee to Bombay enroute to Egypt 13 February 1801.
 
Sailed from Bombay in 3 warships - the Headquarter ship being prevented from entering the Red Sea due to contrary winds. 1 ship was shipwrecked off Abyssinia with the loss of 5 lives, the Mess Plate and Regimental Records." 

You don't say where your wreck was found, but if it is near Ethiopia, this could be your wreck.



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Here is another possibility for your wreck and regarding the seizure of Dutch warships at the Saldanha Bay by the 80th Foot Regiment and the British navy in 1796.....


"French occupation of the Netherlands meant that Britain was at war with the Dutch, much to the satisfaction of the Army, which had every reason to hate its late Ally. In 1795 a British force had seized the Cape of Good Hope, a Dutch possession and an invaluable staging port on the route to the East. The 80th sailed for South Africa on 12th April and after the slow. uncomfortable and wearisome voyage of those days reached Simon's Town on 26th July 1796, and soon afterwards took part in an almost unique military operation. Early in August a Dutch naval squadron, with reinforcements for the East Indies, put into Saldanha Bay some sixty miles north of Cape Town and Craig, the British Governor-General of the Cape. took immediate steps to deal with it. He informed the Admiral, who was at sea with the fleet, and ordered a military force. which included the 80th , to co-operate with the Navy.

The troops left on 12th August and by forced marches across sandy. desolate and waterless country arrived at Saldanha on the 16th. The British fleet, delayed by a storm, arrived at much the same time and while these warships blocked the exit from the bay, the soldiers lined the shore. The seven Dutch men-of-war were trapped and possibly in no condition to fight, even if they wanted to: they surrendered on the 17th and while some of the 80th found guards on the enemy ships, the remainder marched or sailed back to Cape Town. As the Cape was now firmly held by the British, until the short-lived and ineffectual Treaty of Amiens handed it back to the Dutch in 1802, the military were mostly withdrawn and the 80th sailed for India on 6th December. "

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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2010, 09:27:57 pm »
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Looks like the wreck is in the Philippines.

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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2010, 05:37:04 pm »
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Awesome homework if it is his wreck.  Clapp Historical facts just tell the best stories in my opinion!  Pray

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2010, 12:39:48 pm »
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Hi Argee,

Doing a bit of translating with the bell inscription...as far as I can tell it is in Danish (Denmark)...IAAR (this year) 1722 DEN (the) 24 APRIL. Might want to search an old Danish Ship Registry...

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2010, 12:45:34 pm »
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Nice pics and one good find. Cant wait to see more

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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2010, 02:36:55 pm »
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I can't find anything on TER GEDACT however TER GEDACHT is modern dutch and means 'for thought'. It may be an olde spelling or (as the rest appears Danish) an old Danish spelling?

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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2010, 05:13:04 am »
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Hello Salvor,

You're right, its in the Philippines. The particular area is in the Balabac Passage in Mangsee, Balabac, Palawan, Philippines.

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Posted on: December 08, 2010, 05:06:03 AM
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Thanks for the reply. It will help a lot.

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Posted on: December 08, 2010, 05:07:25 AM
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Thanks for your reply. Our company and the Philippine Museum have to do a big homework to identify the ship. Another problem our company have now is the fact that our partner/financier stopped financing the project since the prospect of financial return is not good vis-a-vis their investment except for its archeological significance.

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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2010, 01:47:54 pm »
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Hi again argee,
Some unlikely Danish East India Co. possibilities: the 'Princesse Lovisa',  lost in 1744 on voyage to India off the Maldives; 'Tranquebar', dissapeared in 1746 after leaving the Coramandel Coast on it's homeward voyage or; the 'Oostkapelle, lost in 1759 after leaving the Coromandel Coast.


More likely: the 'RISDAM', sank on a voyage from Siam to Batavia in 1726 or;  the 'NOORDBEEK', lost between Ternate (off Halmahera Island) and Bima (Sumbawa Island) in 1730.
(I believe Ternate is somewhat close to your wreck).
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