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Offline CyberborikuaTopic starter
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2012, 11:10:18 pm »
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Do Picnickers, Hikers, Bikers , Bird Watchers, Walkers, Sight Seers Need a Stinking Permit?

Don't go there!


I agree with no permit and total freedom like anyone else, but in view that it was banned as it is, better to take regulation than nothing. We are all anyways subjected to general forest regulations. Perhaps our hobby is perceived as intrusive and/or lucrative as opposed to bird watchers or bikers. Fishing requires a permit and they have regulations too. Fishermen got a tangible benefit from their hobby as we do too. However, there are important differences, we help clean the environment and we do not poison the water with lead. I don't mind to contribute part of what I take if treated with fairness. I also know that somehow we are all paying for the very few that are not honoring our code of ethics. I guess that to filter out those individuals and put them out of the hobby, some regulations are needed.

Posted on: June 03, 2012, 10:59:02 PM
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My first question is, Where were all the Cook Count treasure hunters/metal detectorists when this was bing discussed and passed.


I don't know about the rest, but I have been sick and out of MDing until now. But you have a good question to ask the few MD clubs in Illinois. They are organized and should have a committee overseeing state policy or regulations that affect us. If they fought for our rights, I don't know because I am an independent hobbyist. However, the ban was a decision that took many by surprise for until not long ago, I detected many times in Chicago area woods and always asked officers if there was a problem with me MDing in the forest. The response was always the same, no as long as you cover your plugs. However, it is hard to believe that they banned us just for not covering a few plugs.  :Smiley

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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2012, 07:49:00 am »
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Ron Shore of WindyCity Detectors already has a legal team on this.they're trying to get a permit system going,its not just a few holes,its hundreds.i was hosting a group hunt in april,while scouting locations(Bunker Hill)i came across dozens if not hundreds of holes,spent a few hrs filling them up,bout a week later the ban came thru,(no hunt)

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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2012, 08:05:21 am »
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Ron Shore of WindyCity Detectors already has a legal team on this.they're trying to get a permit system going,its not just a few holes,its hundreds.i was hosting a group hunt in april,while scouting locations(Bunker Hill)i came across dozens if not hundreds of holes,spent a few hrs filling them up,bout a week later the ban came thru,(no hunt)


Thank you for the information Bomber. I personally came across with a number of holes uncovered in Schiller Woods, my favorite woods. I should not say a few holes, but a few hobbyists that do not covered them. It is sometimes difficult to tell whether the holes were made bigger by animals. But you can tell if you see a pattern. We need to find ways to pinpoint the culprits and educate them. I hope Ron's team works something out for the benefit of the hobby.  Wink

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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2012, 02:55:11 pm »
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After several days of discussions Fight.. I got a similar respose from my local park .. nope you cannot detect here!!! Police i think that they are mainly scared that there will be a pandemic of detectorists going around digging everything up and damaging the fragile eco-system  (rare plants and insect populations)

I think all the animals in the park need permits too  Club... especially the rabbits and foxes they love diggin holes and oh the deer love eating all the newly planted trees!.. raccoons .. well don't get me started on those. Lips Sealed ... and i'm sure there are many other animals that can do more damage than a few md'ers.

and as far as holes go .. COVER THEM UP!!!  Angry  I hate watching other detectorists leaving holes, just annoys me Bang Head, esp when i go to all the trouble of making it as i found it .. ones on the beach, ya i know he tide covers most of them up.. but not all, esp the more inland ones (e.g. on/near the dunes). i would go say something .. but the missus always tells me to leave them and not to cause trouble, but I end up arguing with her saying its their fault that i cannot enjoy my hobby as much.

GL getting permissions .. i'm finding it harder and harder these days .. too much red tape and goody two shoes!! ..next they'll be saying a md is harmful to your health and you'll get cancer from it or something, so they'll be barred next.. just like using mobile phones at a petrol station. what a load of crock.. BAH  Idiot



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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2012, 03:08:11 pm »
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Thanks for the information Bomber!  I, too, am an independent TH'er.  No clubs anywhere near my area.  I know a lot of people with metal detectors and most of them don't go out much, or go to Arizona and the Southwest for gold.  Very rarely do I run into anyone else detecting around here.

I guess, the clubs that are in existence need to try to police the lone wolves that don't follow the Code of Ethics.  If I see someone digging wrong or trespassing I talk to them about it as gently as I can to correct their behavior.  I haven't had much problem with wrong hunting/digging/ trespassing...  Mainly because of the few people I see out detecting.

I wish the best to Ron Shore and his team.  Now the other clubs need to get in on it with them.

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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2012, 07:42:42 pm »
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If I see someone digging wrong or trespassing I talk to them about it as gently as I can to correct their behavior.


I have been approached twice in separate instances to join the Midwest Historical Research Society and I have not joined yet. The main reason is that my multiple weekly commitments allow me just one day to detect and that is Sunday, but I don't go out every Sunday either. Sunday is when they have meetings once a month and I guess some week days at night. Right now I can't make that commitment, but the two gentlemen that approached were really nice and I'm sure the whole club is a nice bunch. Actually these folks watched me detecting in a park and in the Schiller Woods and complimented my wife for accompanying and treasure hunting along with me. See, this is quality time for a couple and a great stress reliever for two busy professionals. How in the world I'm gonna do something to harm what has given me so much  Cry You are right we need to be more vigilant and educate others with our good example. If I see a folk not covering his/her plug properly I would say, look this is how you do it and even offer to take the trash he may be leaving behind.  Wink

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After several days of discussions .. I got a similar respose from my local park .. nope you cannot detect here!!!


Hi! Are you talking about Chicago parks? We can still detect in them and the beaches. My wife and I were once kicked out of a park by a female police officer who claimed we were defacing public property by digging holes and taking with us other people's property (she referred to lost items, not money). We peacefully obeyed and went to Schiller Woods where I found a nice silver quarter. Thanks officer  Grin

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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2012, 09:25:18 pm »
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A few days ago Homie call the guys that dug big holds without refilling and ignored the Code of Ethics as boneheads and he is so right. This has been a problem for our hobby for many years and I have no clue on how to fix it. Most of the problem comes from the guy that gets a detector for his B day or xmas and heads out with a back hoe to find Kid's treasure in 2 hours the detector goes into storage never to be seen again because the guy gets bored. But in 2 hours this guy has done more damage to our hobby the we can fix in a year. 

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A few days ago Homie call the guys that dug big holds without refilling and ignored the Code of Ethics as boneheads and he is so right. This has been a problem for our hobby for many years and I have no clue on how to fix it.


Hi Seldom! I will be in this hobby for two years soon. However, I remembered going online and do basic research about the hobby and what to expect. I came across with this great site that has taught me so much about MD and TH. Thanks to all of you moderators and members because I became an educated hobbyst. Seldom, I think that we must begin resolving this issue with education. Metal dectectors manufacturers and or sellers should be encouraged to include the code of ethics in their packaging and or include a booklet or DVD on proper MD procedures. People should know that an MD is not a toy, but an instrument to retrieve buried stuff and that is serious business. They should also know from the beginning that people in general may get upset and are sensitive to see holes on the ground made by unskilled hobbysts. In the view of many, but especially concerned authorities, those actions show disregard for the environment and others. Let's begin by doing what the cigarrette companies do with their users, that is, including a warning that MD owners may cause damage to the hobby and others by being careless. I think that we must begin setting standards for the use of an MD, and manufacturers should be responsible for laying those standards with the input from experienced detectorists like you and others.  Wink

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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2012, 03:29:02 pm »
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Naa i'm from the uk . and its a local park in Cheshire not far from where i live (therefor not Chicago).. just typical i try to be 'above board' and get permission first  Sad

no Racoons here in the uk .. but i heard of what they do over your side of the pond  Club

I agree with you there, a code of Ethics and good practice needs to be given with every metal detector supplied ! Great and if i see anyone not filling their holes in its an instant Punishment, politely done of course  Grin

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no Racoons here in the uk .. but i heard of what they do over your side of the pond


Love you great sense of humor. Is not too difficult to tell an animal hole from a human-made one, but I know animals can reopen plugs and make them look bigger that they originally were.   Undecided  I'll be hitting Chicago beaches soon. It's also a lot of fun. Need to find some pocket change to buy batteries and water. Time also to clean all the relics I've found in the woods Wink

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