Lost Wagoner Mine

Hey, my friend and I have been looking into this for a couple weeks now, and we've made up 3 or so different routes that he may have taken. We're going after it this summer(I know, I know, we're stupid, the heat, blah-blah-blah) and we were wondering if any of you would like to hike/hunt with us.

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^das ist mein freund. But yeah, we're thinking that it's between Picacho Butte and Miner's Needle, somewhere along or off of Grand Enchantment Trail. We're going to check that trail out, along with the surrounding area, and see if we can find anything, maybe even more upcroppings. We believe that if it isn't the same ledge that Wagoner stumbled on that Ray had found, then perhaps it's the same vein that resurfaces in the area, perhaps more than twice. We'd love any more...proffesional or experienced help with this, so anybody who'd like to accompany us would be gladly accepted.

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FauxGold & otwalcott - is there any way I can talk you OUT of doing this in the summer?  Three men from Utah perished there not so long ago, <2010> and they were not so ill-prepared as one might get the impression from the talk on the internet; they had brought lots of extra water, cached it at various spots along their trail, brought umbrellas to stay out of the noon day heat (shade) and did most of their hiking either at night or in the early hours/late afternoons.  You can get into very serious trouble way too easily in summer and not even realize you are in trouble until it is too late.  I hope you will re-schedule your trip for spring, fall or winter; that gold has been sitting there for centuries and will still be there come next fall. 

On the rose quartz with gold (float) found, just my opinion but I would say that almost has to be from Wagoner's ledge; it is not that common and how many different veins of rose quartz with gold could there be in that area?  The next part of the equation is how that float ended up where it was found - was it dropped by Wagoner himself, or did it simply travel down hill from the ledge by the actions of nature?  If Wagoner dropped it, (a strong possibility) then did he drop it on his way out, and which direction was he traveling when he dropped it?  Not trying to discourage you about this, except for your timing - it is a really bad idea to go in summer and if there is any way you could make the trip later or earlier in the year than summer it is well worth the delay.  Why take extra chances that are not necessary?  It can hit 120 in the shade and precious little shade in those canyons, and you will need to be drinking a lot of water just to keep from dehydrating, leaving not much room in your pack for all the gold!  In most of the range, cell phones won't work so you can't even call for help.

Please reconsider your timing, no matter how much gold you might find it won't help you if you are deceased!  I hope you will take a look at your calender and see if you can't make your trip for a time when it won't be such a risk to your lives.  If you can only go out treasure hunting in summer, I can suggest a dozen other lost mines or treasures you can hunt for that are in places where it won't be so dangerous, just say the word.  One example is yet another Lost Dutchman gold mine, the little known '3rd' one located somewhere near Prescott in the Bradshaws, which would be best to look for in summer.

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

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Hello All

FauxGold & otwalcott I recognise that fire in belly all raring to go.

Oroblanco and Mrs Oroblanco has given you some very wise advice. I have no doubt you both have the hunger to search for this lost gold, However I think you should make better use of your summer researching the topic. As Oroblanco said the lost gold is not going anywhere.

Before you set off anywhere I suggest establish for certain the truth of the story. It would be ironic to lose your life over a legend would it not?

You both have a unique chance here to use the forum here to get a better understanding of the legend. I could give the names of the children but I will not for now until I am satisfied we have the right Fred Mullins.

Successful treasure hunters are methodical ones my friends.

There other parts of the story we need to confirm with dates and location. And sure with combined effort of those interested we might dig up some useful information? A good treasure hunter studies his craft well. Until all the dot's and T's are crossed with verifiable evidence to support his conclusion he will commit himself.

Treasure hunting is always a gamble but minimising the risk and maximising the chances some times pay off for those who have patience.

And now here is some thing to think about? Is the following possibly the full name of Wagoner?

There is a Newspaper story in Los Angeles Herald about a Fred Wagoner of Yuma Arizona that shot a J fry Dead over despute over a Ditch in 1889?

Hardluck



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	We're going after it this summer(I know, I know, we're stupid, the heat, blah-blah-blah)

Hahaha I had thought it was obvious I was joking, nobody in their right mind would EVER go out into the Arizona Superstitions in the middle of summer. If anything, we might go in November. We know the heat and the dangers, but in the off-chance that I may have been serious, I respect you for trying to talk someone out of suicide.

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