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	Re: Tarnished gold ring « Reply #20 on: October 13, 2009, 06:39:10 pm »

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There is a bit of confusion going on here as to what is tarnish and what is electroplating. Some soil conditions can cause what is a spontaneous plating action because of salts in the soil mixture. Oil on the surface of the item from human skin aids in the plating action. This happens to all metals and gold is not immune. Tarnish is oxidation. Gold does not oxidize except with aqua regia, a mixture of hydrochloric acid and nitric acid. Gold alloys also do not oxidize the same way as the base metals would. What you see on TabDog's photos is actually electroplating of the gold alloy to about one or two microns in thickness. This is removed with any good metal polish. Skin oils can affect gold and can actually leach out the base metal which is used in the gold alloy. When I saw the original picture of the ring, I examined the scratched areas and the ring looks plated to me. In fact, though, without testing it, there's no way to tell. My suggestion to have it tested by a jeweler stands. I have enlarged the scratched area and because of the darker color, it appears to be plated with tarnishing to the metal beneath the plating.

having had a good look at the pictures i have to agree with GD because if you look closely you will see the flakes of gold plating that are left the rest is base metal which in this case could be brass as is often the case with cheap junk jewellry, especially stuff of a religious nature. The old monks were the biggest crooks and con artists that women created to put a curse on the unsuspecting individual and deprive that person of his wealth.

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	Re: Tarnished gold ring « Reply #21 on: October 13, 2009, 07:52:56 pm »

Ok guys, tomorow will see as I will do high speed on the polishing and I almost guarantee that you will not see a speck of dark in that ring.This will be follow by again a double test for gold.

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	Re: Tarnished gold ring « Reply #22 on: October 13, 2009, 08:18:46 pm »

look forward to the result's

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	Re: Tarnished gold ring « Reply #23 on: October 13, 2009, 09:03:32 pm »

Sounds like we ALL have a differences of opinion on the matter and that's for certain. Over the years I've found rings in all sorts of conditions---but I'd have to agree that some gold rings come out looking a bit on the tarnished side--and sometimes this is simply pollutants that got on it and settled-such as oil gunk, etc. Usually this can be cleaned fairly decently.But for most part, if it's real gold in the 10k or higher range, then it came out looking about as good as the day it was lost. THE RINGS THAT DIDN'T WERE ALMOST ALWAYS INFERIOR PLATED RINGS OR FILLED RINGS. Solid GOLD rings came out almost always in about same condition as when thay were lost. DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS OR NOT BUT THOSE ARE MY OBSERVATIONS FROM MY RING FINDS OVER THE YEARS. SOUNDS COOL TO HAVE YOUR OWN JEWELRY BUFFER--MAYBE I'LL GET ONE OF THOSE-HA!
AS TO YOUR QUESTION--SOMETIMES THERE'S NO WAY TO TELL HOW LONG A RING HAS BEEN IN THAT WATER??? SOMETIMES RINGS CAN TARNISH AT FASTER RATE THAN OTHERS...
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MY HUNTING PARTNER AND I HAVE FOUND SOME NEAT STUFF IN ON OLD PLAYING FIELDS. I EVEN FOUND AN OLD MARDE GRAS PENDANT THAT WAS FROM THE 1930'S OR 40'S. COULD YOU IMAGINE WHAT YOU COULD FIND AT A PRO STADIUM LIKE YANKEE STADIUM-HA!

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	Re: Tarnished gold ring « Reply #24 on: October 13, 2009, 10:54:22 pm »

The thing going on is silly.

They are heckleing a guy by saying he used
the wrong word to describe his gold ring.

They think hastleing him over that is going
to descise the fact that they were wrong about
the ring in the first place.

They bombed a nice guys thread to toot their
own whistle.

I think they owe Lucky an opology.

Oh, nice gold ring Lucky.

I love those Artcarved rings.

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	Re: Tarnished gold ring « Reply #25 on: October 13, 2009, 11:00:22 pm »

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Very Interesting, some nice photos there Tabdog great finds. Interesting there GD. How bout old gold fillings in teeth? Im still looking for my first piece of tarnished gold....... ....DW

I hope you do not think I found that stuff.

All the stuff in that post was from other
peoples post. The photos are file sharing.

There are hundreds of them.

Lots of people have found gold that is
not colored as it should be.

I hate to say that wrong, I will have to
deal with what Lucky had to deal with. :

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	Re: Tarnished gold ring « Reply #26 on: October 13, 2009, 11:04:30 pm »

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Thank you for your opinion. I stand by MY statements. Try reading a book on metallurgy. Just for a laugh.

Next thing you know we will

have to have a degree

just to respond to you.

Lord help us if we use the

wrong term.

This is Luckys thread you know.

Did he crash one of yours?

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	Re: Tarnished gold ring « Reply #27 on: October 13, 2009, 11:11:58 pm »

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The thing going on is silly. They are heckleing a guy by saying he used the wrong word to describe his gold ring. They think hastleing him over that is going to descise the fact that they were wrong about the ring in the first place. They bombed a nice guys thread to toot their own whistle. I think they owe Lucky an opology. Oh, nice gold ring Lucky. I love those Artcarved rings. Happy Huntin, Tabdog

could not agree more TD

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	Re: Tarnished gold ring « Reply #28 on: October 13, 2009, 11:28:51 pm »

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Next thing you know we will have to have a degree just to respond to you. Lord help us if we use the wrong term. This is Luckys thread you know. Did he crash one of yours? Happy Huntin, Tabdog

TabDog, he asked a serious question and he got an answer that may have simply gone over your head and his. I answered him. Nothing more. If anyone has crashed this thread it would be you, mate. The marks on his ring appeared to make the ring look plated. Others here agreed. The bonding of alloyed metals with gold do NOT produce tarnish. Never. Ever. What you might have seen on gold is electroplating. Yes, it can happen without electricity. I explained how. If you don't get it, read a book on metallurgy and maybe you will.

He also asked about how to tell when it was lost. I answered that as well. As a matter of fact, he needs to test the water and exactly how thick the stuff he scrubbed off was. Oops. Too late. The evidence he needed is now embedded in the bristles of his polishing wheel.

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	Re: Tarnished gold ring « Reply #29 on: October 13, 2009, 11:44:15 pm »

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TabDog, he asked a serious question and he got an answer that may have simply gone over your head and his. I answered him. Nothing more. If anyone has crashed this thread it would be you, mate. The marks on his ring appeared to make the ring look plated. Others here agreed. The bonding of alloyed metals with gold do NOT produce tarnish. Never. Ever. What you might have seen on gold is electroplating. Yes, it can happen without electricity. I explained how. If you don't get it, read a book on metallurgy and maybe you will. He also asked about how to tell when it was lost. I answered that as well. As a matter of fact, he needs to test the water and exactly how thick the stuff he scrubbed off was. Oops. Too late. The evidence he needed is now embedded in the bristles of his polishing wheel.

Here,

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I guess you are over their heads too???

Why can you not let it go?

Lucky did not ask for this.

If he did, I am wrong.

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