?La Madalena?

Hi Luc,
interesting wreck. You can tell us the primary source of historical information? About 1563 there is much confusion. For example Pedro Menendezwas not to New Spain, but his son, Juan Menendez, and several vessels of this fleet disappeared at sea before the Bermuda Island. On the site of the sinking of the capitana, there are several versions. Some say it was lost on the Dominica Island, but I researched and found evidence that was lost on an island in the Bahamas (see this chapter in my book Galleons and sunken treasure.)
Undoubtedly, this subject is very interesting.
Cheers VV

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There were no hurricanes around the Americas in 1563 according to Dr. Jose Carlos Millas in his excellent book?.? Hurricanes of the Caribbean?. Most of the information on ?La Madalena? or ?Magdalena? comes from the books of Marx, and then Singer, who copied Marx. These narratives are suspect to begin with. There was a hurricane off Florida in 1565, which sank at least 4 vessels of Jean Ribault?s French fleet. The French were fleeing an attack by the Spanish from the area of Fort Caroline when caught by the storm. Also there is mention of a loss of 5 vessels in the fleet of Juan Mendez in the Bahamas in 1565, one of which MAY have been ?La Magdalena?.
The recovery of a bronze cannon in a shrimper?s net in 1983 supposedly was accomplished by Frank Brawley (former owner of Port Canaveral Marina, now deceased). The cannon reportedly was dated 1560.
Frank took me to the approximate area of his recovery, which is off the False Cape (Canaveral). If it is there, it is in state waters and no permits will be issued by the State of Florida.
In 1989, Mel Fisher told me that the remains of Ribault?s  fleet had washed ashore near Playalinda Beach north of Cape Canaveral, and that timbers had been found there.
Also, many years ago, treasure hunters had found ?some? bronze cannons under the beach at that location.
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?Shrimp fishermen have been lucky in the area and have recovered one bronze cannon that was sold to a private collector for $15,000, another bronze cannon was found in close proximity but was dated  decades after the ill-fated La Madalena. A chest of 3,000 Spanish four and eight reale coins was discovered by another shrimp fisherman in his shrimp net. The coins were dated between 1748 and 1751.?






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Well, it ended the "ghost shipwrecks." Now we must prove it with information about the primary historical source.
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What part of "ghost ship" don't you understand? (just kidding) There must be over 50 old wrecks in the immediate vicinity.

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"So if the coins were dated 1748 to 1751 (a period of 3 years) why would they have sat around waiting 12 years before being shipped to spain? It's obviously possible but is it likely? Seems to me this would indicate possibly another older shipwreck?"

Huh? That's 1563.


"Does the location of the cannon find and the chest find make sense to tie together? They are from a close date range sure, but are they really artifacts from the same ship?"

Idaho, sorry. Not from the same ship since they are 200 years apart. The dunes around Cape Canaveral are filled with Spanish gold and silver, salvaged from shipwrecks by the Ais indians. As I stated before, there are many wrecks in the area where the cannon and chest were found.


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