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but if they are not exciting or romance most writers will not write about them


Either that or they'll change important facts or leave out important information to make the story both exciting and false.  Sad   Need to learn to tell the difference between a campfire tale and a treasure lead.   But that's where this forum comes in handy.   Watch seldom and hardluck and some of the others tear into a story and you'll get the hang pretty quickly of how to tell the good stuff from the fables.  And thread like the one on the missing C47 in Africa help you learn how to take a "rumor" and chase the threads (still a whole lot of loose threads on that one, but a lot more good info has been uncovered than most of us thought possible when that topic started).


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« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2011, 01:49:52 am »
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Lets get back on topic a little bit.
Will Wilson was a treasure hunter in the 60's that was hot on the tail of the 17 tons of gold in New Mexico. A couple of old guys I know Both in their late 70's hunted with him back in the day. Anyway they claim he had tons of research and several maps about it. He was writing a book when he died around 1985. I am trying to track down his papers and research but can't get a handle on him. Like many of us he may have used several different names which means Will Wilson may not be his real name.

I have gone though all my books and files and spend 15 hours at the library and can't get a handle on this guy. My sources claim his home base was Carlsbad NM but moved to Dallas in the 1970's. Anyone know anything about Mr Wilson???

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Date wise we're too early for a DC-3 and probably for a DC-2 also.   A Junkers Tri-motor could have made it in 10 trips without much difficulty since it could carry a payload of roughly 6,000 pounds. (17 American tons = 34,000 pounds).   Only problem is they weren't widely available at the time (Canadian Airways got the 6th Junker Tri-motor ever produced in 1932).

The most likely candidate would have been a Ford Tri-motor.   With a payload of 2,000 pounds, it would have taken about 20 trips to haul the 17 tons of gold.   IF they pushed the plane to its max take-off weight and stripped out everything that wasn't absolutely necessary, they MIGHT have been able to make it in 12 or so trips, but that would have been no crew and sucking fuel.

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Anyone know anything about Mr Wilson???

Might be some friends of Bill W here.

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« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2011, 05:17:46 pm »
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One thing that sticks in my mine is fuel there seems there would be some records of fuel sales somewhere.

BA and GD came up with an interesting theory while we were talking earlier that maybe it was moved by rail then truck to New Mexico this is a whole lot easier to believe then bring it in by plane.

So this is where I am at.
1. The Trabuco group put together 12 plus tons of gold with the intentions of moving it to the US to sale when the price was set at 32 dollars an oz.
2. The group flew xx tons of gold to the US and hide it in the four corners area.
3. The group realizing they could not profit from the gold abandon it.

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1. Yes I think the group amassed some gold but no where near 17 tones maybe a few 1000 pounds. Even in Mexico taking that much gold out of circulation would raise eye brows and start an investigation.
2. Even a few 1000 pounds would be hard to fly out with out people knowing and some records somewhere. Using BA and GD theory that it was moved by rail and or truck makes the most sense here.
3. Realizing they could not sell it they would not walk away they would try to get it back to Mexico.
Put all that together and it makes me believe that the gold any gold was ever brought into the US.    

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« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2011, 03:48:35 am »
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 Seldom, You did mention rail & truck earlier. Perhaps all methods could have been used  Cool
 

Posted on: July 13, 2011, 03:34:43 AM
I also agree that the 17 tones could be more over the limit of what could be out there, or not!. Where does this figure first pop up? A different cache perhaps of an earlier legend? Is there any still out there...

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1. Yes I think the group amassed some gold but no where near 17 tones maybe a few 1000 pounds. Even in Mexico taking that much gold out of circulation would raise eye brows and start an investigation.
2. Even a few 1000 pounds would be hard to fly out with out people knowing and some records somewhere. Using BA and GD theory that it was moved by rail and or truck makes the most sense here.
3. Realizing they could not sell it they would not walk away they would try to get it back to Mexico.
Put all that together and it makes me believe that the gold any gold was ever brought into the US.

They would have been more likely to buy gold from those secretly hoarding it in the US at top dollar on the speculation that gold would increase in value over the years. Moving it to Mexico in very small parcels by hand, car, truck, train or even burro would have been a smarter move. Some of those smaller arrests of the day may have been part of a bigger scheme. Keeping it for decades probably didn't happen either. Gold has an intrinsic value. Jewelry has a much higher value when sold as jewelry and the artisans in Mexico have superior skills in that area.

I believe the gold is all but gone now and on the fingers and around the necks of some wealthy folks.


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Yea I have to agree that if it ever was its gone now.

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 Who really knows what has happened to the gold!?shore would be interesting to get a bit more info and a few more answers. Perhaps a few more smaller opportunities are out there.  Cool

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Who really knows what has happened to the gold!?shore would be interesting to get a bit more info and a few more answers. Perhaps a few more smaller opportunities are out there.  Cool

Quite right but do look at what happened here. A few experienced people who have hunted and tracked down leads for probably 200 years between us have analyzed a story for you as an object lesson. Truly, it could have gone the other way except for the exaggeration of the amount of gold. Had the story said, "1000 ounces of gold," we would all still be discussing it. That much gold is movable in secret and very concealable. Heavy, yes, but not beyond reasonable means for clandestine movement.

The exaggeration was either a gross error or a deliberate move to obfuscate the truth of it being a far smaller amount. Either way, logical dissection of the tale took place before your very eyes here. I do hope you see the lesson here. Being a "chirpy" sort of commentator here is an inappropriate response. The discussion is not about "oh, well, try again" at all. It's all about research and resolving questions that can mislead a bloke like yourself. Had you only read the very first post in this thread, you'd probably be wandering around in Mexico one day looking for a puff of dust known as a legend.

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