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« on: February 19, 2010, 12:04:24 pm »
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Hi Idaho Jones

Concerning Rennes le Chateau and the cavity with a mummified body, Ben Hammott met in France twice in June 2007 the leaders of the DRAC (Regional Direction of Cultural Affairs), to inform them of his discovery in keeping secret place of the latter, they also requested that the cavity either immediately after the announcement of the discovery, protected. I have not finished reading (I still have about fifty pages). Still, their end of the upcoming book by Ben Hammott in October 2009, the DRAC had still not agreed.

Regarding the body found in the cavity, a few hairs were taken for DNA analysis and that analysis of the shape of the skull has been asked various experts based on photographs taken to determine if the skull is that of a man or d a woman. I do not know yet the results of his analysis because I am not come to the end of the book in a few days away I can say a little more.

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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2010, 12:27:10 pm »
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Thanks Luc!  Smiley

I'm gonna have to find out more on this one. Just the story of the find itself was priceless. If not for an idea, an accident, and a broken van this place might still be secret.  Grin

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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2010, 04:14:28 am »
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Hello All

Thanks Luc for the interesting news. The Story slipped out of the Media and nothing more was heard about it until know.

3 years later it must be very frustrating for Ben.

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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2010, 06:43:35 am »
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Hi Hardluck,

I would not be in the place of Ben, an administrative decision to wait so long must be frustrating.

End of November he was in France a new meeting in Montpellier with Jean-Pierre Giraud (DRAC), and it would have promised a quick response but said that if this tomb was clear this could be done off period summer because of the large number of tourists in the region.

Wait and see.

Concerning the analysis of hair, they have nothing given that the samples provided to the experts, had lost their main characteristics in the environment of the cavity (moisture .....),
The shape of the skull suggests that it would be a woman, the found objects: the Cup, the oitment jar, the glass vial and the collection of coins were 100% authentic ancient relics that had originated in or around 1 st century BC in Judaea, possibly Jerusalem.
Ben thinks that the body is that of a person revered as a saint (in relation to many chalices and cups around the body).


For Ben Hammott should there be a second cache to another body because coded messages speak of two caches and two chests off to this day a box was discovered.

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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2010, 12:17:47 pm »
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Sounds like the adventure continues Smiley hopefully more will come to light.

It seems the world over archeaology commissions would rather just let exciting finds like this rot while while giving grants out to dig up fossils which could last another 100,000 years virtually unchanged. I just don't get it. Maybe as you implied earlier someone doesn't want this info released.

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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2010, 12:58:55 pm »
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Hi Idaho Jones

I actually think that it is procrastinating because this discovery uncorked a revelation on many foundations were shaken. There were 3 people from Italy to Rennes le Chateau, from a public relations compagny called Robadoba, Which was said to be owned by the Vatican (2 men and a woman named Serena Taje.

Strange no.

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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2010, 01:52:57 pm »
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Well books are expensive to rewrite and publish ya know....

I often wonder how many discoveries have never seen light because it would ruin someones theories. I myself cannot fathom selling out in that fashion. Why be in the business if you aren't seeking the truth? Money, power and control.

Makes you wonder who's tomb it is to be so dangerous to the status quo?

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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2010, 04:05:22 pm »
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Hello all

The best answer would be to get dating evidence of the remains. Such as Carbon dating.

The items from the grave is about 1000 years older than the alleged Templar items in with the grave. This possibly suggests a reburial in Templar times.

It would be interesting to find out date of the remains because it will answer a lot of questions and pose a few more questions.

It the remains turn out to be female and over 2000 years old it will fire up many a debate on who this woman was?

It was said the Templar venerated Mary and we have legends of Mary fleeing to France after the crucifixion.

If this was so it would undermine some of the doctrines of the Christian church. Which may have large ramifications to long held beliefs.

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That would indeed shake things up, on all sides.  Shocked

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Hi Hardluck and Idaho Jones

The samples from the mummified body has been done remotely because the cavity is blocked. Ben used a stick articulated either by hanging a hook at the end to lift the shroud, by placing an adhesive to remove hair.

It is also said in the coded messages of Sauni?re and the bodies were moved three times.



From Ben Hammott internet site: Meetings with DRAC

DRAC = Direction R?gionale des Affaires Culturelles

There have been 3 meetings with the DRAC.
Meeting 1 - Location: DRAC offices in Montpellier: Those in attendance were Jean-Pierre Giraud, Bruce Burgess and Ben Hammott.

To report the Tomb an appointment was arranged with Jean-Pierre Giraud, head of the Direction R?gionale des Affaires Culturelles for the Languedoc. The meeting took place at the DRAC offices in Montpellier. Bruce Burgess and I first explained the history of my discovery - how and when I had found it, etc. All three Tomb films were then shown. Although at first Giraud seemed skeptical because of the mention of Rennes-le-Chateau, by the time the third film had ended, Jean-Pierre?s skepticism had diminished and he now thought that we had indeed found something - he just wasn't?t sure what. He then gave us his opinion on what he had just witnessed, saying it was a very strange and unusual burial but the objects were definitely real objects - whatever they were made of or how long they had been there. He said the body was also real and looked very old and mummified, which tallied with the results from our consultations with other experts. Just like us, Jean Pierre was keen to excavate the Tomb to find out exactly what was inside. After I had explained there was no obvious sign of an entrance, Jean Pierre said he would arrange for a couple of his colleagues, who were professional spelunkers, to come and view the tomb site to see if they could find a way inside.

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Ben Hammott, Jean-Pierre Giraud and Bruce Burgess just after our first meeting


Meeting 2 - Location: Tomb Site: Those in attendance were Philippe Galant, another DRAC representative, Bruce Burgess, and Ben Hammott

We met the two DRAC representatives outside Serres Church and they followed us to our hotel where they could be shown all of the Tomb footage so they could get an idea of its layout and the rock formation. They were intrigued and duly impressed and thought it a very exiting find. We then discussed the Tomb and the surrounding area and both parties signed a confidentiality agreement to safeguard the site, so that no details giving away the location of the Tomb were made public until it was safe to do so. They were then taken to the Tomb site.
It felt very strange taking strangers to the site but I knew that if I wanted the Tomb excavated we had to find a way in and these two men may be just the ones to find it. I took them inside the cave, being careful not to disturb the bushes around the entrance too much, and showed them where the shaft was that I had filmed through and what I thought was the direction of the original entrance.

After examining the interior we all returned outside where they examined the surrounding rock formation. They noticed that there were signs of dynamite having been used, probably in the past fifty years or so. They did give a reason for this but to safeguard the site I will not reveal it here. When I asked if the explosions could have caused the collapse of the original entrance into the tomb, they said it was a possibility. Like me they could find no sign of the original entrance. This could explain why the Tomb has not been discovered before now and why it has not been looted - there is no longer any access. This does not make the job of excavating the Tomb an easy one. We already know by the rock fall in the Tomb that the cavern roof is possibly unstable, preventing access from the top.

I drew them a plan of the Tomb, the shaft and blocked entrance position. We spent the next hour taking measurements, working out the size of the Tomb, the size and depth of the shaft, height of the Tomb, etc. A GPS reading of the Tomb?s location was also taken. After consulting a detailed map they told us who owned the land. When all was done they said they would send their report to Giraud and he would decide what the next step to take might be and that we would be contacted with the outcome.

Meeting 3 - Location: DRAC offices in Montpellier: Those in attendance were Jean-Pierre Giraud, Philippe Galant, Bruce Burgess and Ben Hammott.

During this meeting Giraud consulted the file that contained the report prepared by Philippe on his visit to the Tomb site. We all agreed that the next step was to find out the best way to gain entry to the tomb without damaging further any of the artefacts inside. To do this we thought the best thing was to return to the site outside of the tourist season when there wouldn't be so many people about, and put the remote camera down the shaft to have a look at the roof structure of the cave to try and see how stable it is. Also we would try to see whether we could remove some of the rocks from the blocked-up entrance to see if there was a clear tunnel on the other side. It would be hard to do but it was worth trying. There was also the possibility we might be able to hook out an object for dating purposes. I had already tried this with a couple of other objects without success. Unfortunately there were not many hookable objects in the right position in relation to the shaft to be easily snagged but if we could open one of the chests, again something I had already tried without success, there might be something inside we could grab safely without damaging it.

As Philippe had other projects booked up it would be a few months before we would be able to do this.

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The DRAC Headquarters in Montpellier

Postponement:

It was shortly after this meeting that my son was diagnosed with cancer and at the time the meeting was to take place my son was in hospital undergoing a major operation. I then decided I needed to be with my son and my family during this time and I did not wish to be away for long periods until my son was better so any further work on the Tomb and excavation was put on hold.

A provisional date of 17th September 2008 was discussed to resume our joint exploration of the tomb prior to setting an excavation date. This date was originally chosen as my son's treatment should have ended by this time but there were complications and he is still undergoing treatment. So regrettably the meeting was postponed further. As it turned out I wouldn't have been able to visit the site during my recent visit to Rennes-le-Chateau when the Bloodline film was screened as too many people knew I was there.

Answering some of the false reports:

There IS a file with the DRAC that contains records of our meetings and the report made by Philippe on his visit to the Tomb site - I know because I saw it at our last meeting, it was on the table in front of me and was referred to by Jean-Pierre Giraud.

I have no idea why this was deemed important enough to lie about but contrary to reports, Jean-Pierre Giraud did have a personal secretary at the time of our meetings. The Bloodline team and I have had contacts with her when arranging and attending some of the above meetings and follow-ups. She handled his phone-calls, etc. while Giraud was out of the office.

The quote Giraud gave was not given after the first meeting but many weeks after the third meeting and after the excavation was put on hold.

The DRAC Commissioner in the region, Jean-Pierre Giraud said:

    "This is certainly a very intriguing discovery, but it's just too early to tell how important it is. We need to do a full survey of the site to determine the age of the corpse and the other items in the tomb. The archeology department of the DRAC-LR will be carrying out an examination of the site as soon as access has been made possible."

Not that it matters when the quote was given, what is important is that the DRAC took the Tomb seriously enough to merit releasing a quote for Bruce to use in a press release, this is not the action of a man who thinks the Tomb does not exist or is not important enough to warrant further exploration.
These meetings took place - I know - I was there and we have the correspondence with the DRAC, film and photographs.


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