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« Reply #180 on: October 04, 2009, 03:52:32 pm »
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There is nothing to argue Rational Observer, believed what you want I do not have a problem with that it's your way of thinking and nobody I guest can change your rational observation.
We may be or not what you accused us for but I do not bear any grudge on you it's your opinion we leave in a free society. I hope you are not the type of crowd in our beloved Country USA that surrendered your rights to the Government and everything that the government commands, you take it and shoved it in your throat. I am independent minded not a Social Welfare class not a Socialist either I do not get hand outs by the Government and let the Government decide what is best for me. I keep my guns I support the 2nd Amendment am not a kool aid kind of guy.
I hope you too is governed with common sense not persuaded by the Big Government Type Society.
Peace be with you my friend and stay safe at your end always.


We live in a free society....the saying is...we live in a free society.

Peter...the fact of the matter is...there is no choice or options to believe whether or not these items are real. Once a fact has been determined...such in this case...there is no give or take in the matter. Twisting and spinning the English language around to give the illusion there may still be hope is futile.

"Believe what you want" is not applicable.
 

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« Reply #181 on: October 04, 2009, 06:32:03 pm »
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Please get your facts right below are some Facts about the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK.
If you are not yet convince let me know and I will post more of them here for you.
Whether you are a believer or not your source is just to neutralized and hide the Acts of the Federal Reserved Bank and its wealthy elite creator and a few people who until now are controlling the world economy, The FRB's,FRN, TOV etc. that is the subject of discussion here are the excesses made as early as 1917 to 1930's and carried by FDR from 1934 until his death, to rob and plunder the Americans of their gold by confiscating them and creating FORT KNOX as the Federal Reserve depository and at the same time lending money through FRN, FRB and TOV to European nations who where short of war funds, these Federal notes found their way to other rich individuals in Asia as collateral to their gold afraid that their wealth will be confiscated by the invading Japanese in Asia, Hitler in Europe.

Please follow the links below to educate you and not be subservient to whatever the US Federal banks tells you.
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Federal Reserve Act
Section 13. Powers of Federal Reserve Banks
1. Receipt of Deposits and Collections

Any Federal reserve bank may receive from any of its member banks, or other depository institutions, and from the United States, deposits of current funds in lawful money, national-bank notes, Federal reserve notes, or checks, and drafts, payable upon presentation, or other items, and also, for collection, maturing notes and bills; or, solely for purposes of exchange or of collection, may receive from other Federal reserve banks deposits of current funds in lawful money, national-bank notes, or checks upon other Federal reserve banks, and checks and drafts, payable upon presentation within its district, or other items, and maturing notes and bills payable within its district; or, solely for the purposes of exchange or of collection, may receive from any nonmember bank or trust company or other depository institution deposits of current funds in lawful money, national-bank notes, Federal reserve notes, checks and drafts payable upon presentation or other items, or maturing notes and bills: Provided, Such nonmember bank or trust company or other depository institution maintains with the Federal reserve bank of its district a balance in such amount as the Board determines taking into account items in transit, services provided by the Federal Reserve Bank, and other factors as the Board may deem appropriate; Provided further, That nothing in this or any other section of this Act shall be construed as prohibiting a member or nonmember bank or other depository institution from making reasonable charges, to be determined and regulated by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, but in no case to exceed 10 cents per $100 or fraction thereof, based on the total of checks and drafts presented at any one time, for collection or payment of checks and drafts and remission therefor by exchange or otherwise; but no such charges shall be made against the Federal reserve banks.
[12 USC 342. As amended by act of Sept. 7, 1916 (39 Stat. 752), which completely revised this section; June 21, 1917 (40 Stat. 234); and March 31, 1980 (94 Stat. 139). With respect to the receipt by Reserve Banks of checks and drafts on deposit, see also section 16.]
2. Discount of Commercial, Agricultural, and Industrial Paper
Upon the indorsement of any of its member banks, which shall be deemed a waiver of demand, notice and protest by such bank as to its own indorsement exclusively, any Federal reserve bank may discount notes, drafts, and bills of exchange arising out of actual commercial transactions; that is, notes, drafts, and bills of exchange issued or drawn for agricultural, industrial, or commercial purposes, or the proceeds of which have been used, or are to be used, for such purposes, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System to have the right to determine or define the character of the paper thus eligible for discount, within the meaning of this Act. Nothing in this Act contained shall be construed to prohibit such notes, drafts, and bills of exchange, secured by staple agricultural products, or other goods, wares, or merchandise from being eligible for such discount, and the notes, drafts, and bills of exchange of factors issued as such making advances exclusively to producers of staple agricultural products in their raw state shall be eligible for such discount; but such definition shall not include notes, drafts, or bills covering merely investments or issued or drawn for the purpose of carrying or trading in stocks, bonds, or other investment securities, except bonds and notes of the government of the United States. Notes, drafts, and bills admitted to discount under the terms of this paragraph must have a maturity at the time of discount of not more than 90 days, exclusive of grace.
[12 USC 343. As amended by act of Sept. 7, 1916 (39 Stat. 752), which completely revised this section; and by act of March 4, 1923 (42 Stat. 1478). As used in this paragraph the phrase "bonds and notes of Government of the United States" includes Treasury bills or certificates of indebtedness. (See act of June 17, 1929, amending section 5 of Second Liberty Bond Act of Sept. 24, 1917). As to eligibility for discount under this paragraph of notes representing loans to finance building construction, see this act, section 24).]
3. Discounts for Individuals, Partnerships, and Corporations
In unusual and exigent circumstances, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, by the affirmative vote of not less than five members, may authorize any Federal reserve bank, during such periods as the said board may determine, at rates established in accordance with the provisions of section 14, subdivision (d), of this Act, to discount for any individual, partnership, or corporation, notes, drafts, and bills of exchange when such notes, drafts, and bills of exchange are indorsed or otherwise secured to the satisfaction of the Federal Reserve bank: Provided, That before discounting any such note, draft, or bill of exchange for an individual, partnership, or corporation the Federal reserve bank shall obtain evidence that such individual, partnership, or corporation is unable to secure adequate credit accommodations from other banking institutions. All such discounts for individuals, partnerships, or corporations shall be subject to such limitations, restrictions, and regulations as the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System may prescribe.
[12 USC 343. As added by act of July 21, 1932 (47 Stat. 715); and amended by acts of Aug. 23, 1935 (49 Stat. 714) and Dec. 19, 1991 (105 Stat. 2386.]
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Declaration of Independence - 1776
The Constitution for the United States, Its Sources and Its Application
Undermining The Constitution - A History of Lawless Government
Our Enemy, The State
Secrets of the Federal Reserve

by Eustace Mullins
From Web Archive Sources
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945)
On May 23, 1933, Congressman, Louis T. McFadden, brought formal charges against the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve Bank system, The Comptroller of the Currency and the Secretary of United States Treasury for numerous criminal acts, including but not limited to, CONSPIRACY, FRAUD, UNLAWFUL CONVERSION, AND TREASON.
The petition for Articles of Impeachment was thereafter referred to the Judiciary Committee and has
YET TO BE ACTED ON.

So, this ELECTRONIC BOOKLET should be reprinted, reposted,
set up on web pages and circulated far and wide. 
________________________________________

Congressman McFadden
on the Federal Reserve Corporation
Remarks in Congress, 1934
AN ASTOUNDING EXPOSURE



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« Reply #182 on: October 04, 2009, 06:38:28 pm »
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Whether you are a believer or not your source is just to neutralized and hide the Acts of the Federal Reserved Bank and its wealthy elite creator and a few people who until now are controlling the world economy, The FRB's,FRN, TOV etc. that is the subject of discussion here are the excesses made as early as 1917 to 1930's and carried by FDR from 1934 until his death, to rob and plunder the Americans of their gold by confiscating them and creating FORT KNOX as the Federal Reserve depository and at the same time lending money through FRN, FRB and TOV to European nations who where short of war funds, these Federal notes found their way to other rich individuals in Asia as collateral to their gold afraid that their wealth will be confiscated by the invading Japanese in Asia, Hitler in Europe.



Peter...you still don't get the big picture, do ya?  The scam is over. There is nowhere to go with the banter and misinformation. Posting gobs of nonessential text will not camouflage the criminal activity you are trying so hard to justify as legitimate. 

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« Reply #183 on: October 04, 2009, 07:18:42 pm »
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You really do not want to give up, our discussion will lead to nowhere It is for other to believe who they want, It's them to decide who are scam or not. You portrayed me as a SCAM and a source of misinformation, you know me by name maybe we even exchange emails before I have no problem mentioning my name here I have not in my whole life scammed or hurt anybody my conscience is clear, I am not hiding my identity as evidence see my profile I am here to help not to misinform and misled anybody so better be man enough to identify yourself do not hide your contact details in your profile it's your choice.
People around the globe touched base with me and seek my advice ask for consultation they became friend hope we too will be friends or maybe you are already a friend who I know from a real name not their alter ego, but unfortunately we are opposite observer.
My friend, bro, let this be my last to comment you can go on it's your choice but you must advice not accused, help instead of attack let's keep this topic healthy not be a negative observer.
Take care and stay healthy.

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« Reply #184 on: October 04, 2009, 08:19:54 pm »
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Peter...as a rational observer, my form of help is to warn readers/participants of this thread about the fraudulent instruments you have chosen to boldly defend. Your intentions speak for themselves.



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« Reply #185 on: October 04, 2009, 08:57:52 pm »
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Peter...as a rational observer, my form of help is to warn readers/participants of this thread about the fraudulent instruments you have chosen to boldly defend. Your intentions speak for themselves.




I said previously that I will not comment anymore on FRB/FRN etc. now I want to comment on your above reply that as a rational observer and I quote "to warn readers/participants of this thread about the fraudulent instruments"....are you really warning and wanting to help or your intention to warn is also followed with accusations and rude insinuation that anybody who defend the Federal Bank instruments is a scam, a fraud, swindler and dishonest... please read and I quote below your rational observation.

"No...no...no...these things are not real. Anyone trying to insinuate otherwise are more than likely involved with the scam/swindle/fraud.

The post above is a fine example of dishonest posting".


"Peter...you still don't get the big picture, do ya?  The scam is over. There is nowhere to go with the banter and misinformation. Posting gobs of nonessential text will not camouflage the criminal activity you are trying so hard to justify as legitimate".

This is what you mean by helping/warn others by also accusing me and others as misinforming and more likely involved with the scam/swindle/fraud.

Again brother, thanks for helping and warnings at the same time branding everyone here as scammers/frauds and swindler to those who are not persuaded by your rational observation.

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« Reply #186 on: October 04, 2009, 11:25:03 pm »
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« Reply #188 on: October 05, 2009, 02:46:25 am »
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now I want to comment on your above reply that as a rational observer and I quote "to warn readers/participants of this thread about the fraudulent instruments"....are you really warning and wanting to help or your intention to warn is also followed with accusations and rude insinuation that anybody who defend the Federal Bank instruments is a scam, a fraud, swindler and dishonest...



Wow...you just asked the same question about three times in that post by simply using different wording. Weird.

The answer is yes (to all versions)...you cannot justify a crime by complaining or crying foul. Guilt by association and all that.

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« Reply #189 on: October 05, 2009, 02:49:34 am »
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Yes, those are the fraudulent instruments being discussed in this thread. Thanks for sharing!

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