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« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2011, 09:19:30 am »
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I just posted the Facts, this story telling is crap and I wish folks would do a little research, it took me all of five mins to find this information, Most of which I knew because I actually had a friend who was involved in there removal.

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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2011, 09:29:26 am »
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Did u know that the Marcoses were the most successful and able to find 60,000 tons of gold buried by the Japanese army using 1970 detectors plus mediums?



Well back on topic, we know Marco had billions of dollars in gold and cash when he came to Hawaii. Where did it came from?
In my opinion he was a criminal he stole from the government private business anyone and anywhere he could.
Did he find Yamashita Treasure? I don't think so it was a cover story to explain his wealth period. Seagraves and many others jumped on the band wagon to spared the legend. Was Seagraves and others paid by Marco to help invent the treasure legend ?  Again in my opinion Yes.

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Is Wikipedia really a reputable and accurate source of info, Karl? I think not.

After EDSA happened, I do remember reading in the papers of the Marcoses flight to Hawaii...by jet. Now, they may have been picked up by helo, maybe some of their stuff was transported by C130, I dunno, but a few other sources mention that their journey to Hawaii was by jet-powered craft.

"CLARK AIR FORCE BASE - The Americans provided two jet aircraft, capable of transporting 500 persons - a Boeing 707 and a B-747. The Marcos party was given security during the operation by US Marines."

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There are a few other sites which mention the flight of the Marcoses, I'm sure you can google them...and all say it was by jet-powered craft. How credible are they? I have no idea. In this day and age one can never be sure of what is true, be it in spoken or written form. And heck if I'm gonna research every single thing I read or am told. There'd be no time left to do anything else then! Grin If something I read or am told pertains importantly to my personal life and matters, for sure due diligence has to be done.

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Well back on topic, we know Marco had billions of dollars in gold and cash when he came to Hawaii. Where did it came from?
In my opinion he was a criminal he stole from the government private business anyone and anywhere he could.
Did he find Yamashita Treasure? I don't think so it was a cover story to explain his wealth period. Seagraves and many others jumped on the band wagon to spared the legend. Was Seagraves and others paid by Marco to help invent the treasure legend ?  Again in my opinion Yes.


Agreed. It was all a cover story to mask his thievery. And IMHO, Seagraves is as credible as Wikipedia. Wink

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Hobbyist I'm gonna have to restrict you air time if you dont find some gold soon, I'm still wait ing for my half gran nugget
so i can do my testing  Shocked

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I wonder where all the gold is now, it's gotta be stashed somewhere

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Au..it's 11.38PM as I type this and the weather report called for scattered showers of darkness with some starlight. I'll go hunting this weekend (in the daylight)...i PROMISE! Wink

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What A Trooper so fearless, Don't you forget to come back so we can have some more in put, we got a good topic here

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We have our prerogative to express what we know. Just a portion of what I learned so I enclosed this report. We were just talking about the insights of the wealth that the Japanese had left in our country during WWII and the reality that was revealed after the Marcoses had been thrown out their dynasty.


THE PHILIPPINE DAILY INQUIRER
THEY were just in their early 20s in September 1972 when first recruited into the reactivated 16th Infantry Battalion, with the "mysterious'' task of digging tons of gold and gemstones for President Ferdinand Marcos.

Twenty-five years later, the soldiers now in their 40s and 50s have surfaced to file a claim in California and Zurich against the Marcos estate for their labors from 1973 to the second quarter of 1985 when they dug--what to their estimate--were 60,000 tons of gold and other precious metals and gemstones. They have written a joint affidavit signed by at least 96 of the original diggers.

Roberto B. Caoile, 45, the group's spokesperson, said their members number more than 115. They are still looking for other comrades--members of the 51st Army Engineering Brigade and the AFP Logistics Command who helped them in the diggings, classified as "top secret'' by Marcos and Ver.

The soldiers, some of them retired, others still in active service, represent the Forgotten Claimants of Yamashita--World War II Treasures Versus Marcos Estate Incorporated.

They were part of the Task Force Restoration, organized by Armed Forces Chief of Staff Fabian Ver, whose main task was to conduct "massive diggings and excavations'' under the cover of fighting the communist insurgency in the countryside during the martial law years.

Not fantasies

"These are not mere legendary fantasies out of Arabian nights as claimed by ignorant, unknowledgeable or pseudo-pretenders/impostors who ought to deceive, conceal, cover, camouflage and confuse the real truth about this matter for their very own personal pursuits and vested interests alone,'' sates the soldiers' affidavit.

This was apparently a shot at an earlier statement of Magtanggol Gunigundo, chair of the Presidential Commission on Good Government who had denied the existence of the Marcos gold hoard.

They said the statements of Ferdinand "Bongbong'' Marcos Jr., denying the Marcos gold, were also "pure lies, deception and greediness to conceal, cover and camouflage the selfishness of the Marcoses.''

"We were there. We dug the gold. Why would they deny this now?'' Caoile said.

The soldiers' group said it is only "appropriate'' that the Marcoses pay the human rights victims a specific amount based on the just and fair computation of each victim's "factual predicament during Marcos' rule.'' The human rights claimants had been awarded a $2-billion judgment against the Marcos estate.

But the soldiers said they, too, should be given their just share for digging the gold and other treasures.

"We want the truth to come out and we want to be recognized for our role in digging the gold. This has been kept from the public far too long,'' Caoile said.

Missing link?

Theirs is a story that may be considered the missing link in the mystery of the Marcos gold. According to the soldiers, the Marcos generals and officers close to the late president knew about the operation, including President Ramos who was in the so-called "Rolex 12'' circle and was chief of the Philippine Constabulary.

Ver's elite Presidential Guard Battalion watched and guarded the young soldiers with hawk-like attention while they conducted the digging operations at night, claimed Reynaldo Dominguez, one of the "gold soldiers'' in Task Force Restoration, who recently retired with the rank of second lieutenant.

During the day, they slept or did their "standard'' work of "restoration'' or infrastructure development and other "field operations.''

They did not question their orders, Dominguez said. When they were sent on "field training'' they obeyed to serve the country.

Dominguez and Caoile were among those newly recruited in the reactivated 16th Infantry Battalion which was one of the first troops sent to the "digging fields'' in 1972. Caoile was then only 20; Dominguez, 25.

172 sites

Throughout the 13 years that the members of the Task Force Restoration did their work, only some 30 treasure sites out of 172 were dug up, they claimed. The rest where members of the Japanese Imperial Army buried their looted treasures from some 10 countries as identified by Marcos and Ver with the help of "some Japanese men,'' who had the maps, were untouched or may have been dug up by "those in the know.''

The young men, some 300 of them, who became members of the reactivated 16th Infantry Battalion, were recruited in September 1972. On Oct. 16, 1972, they took oath as new recruits with the rank of "private,'' of the battalion under the 2nd Infantry Brigade of the Philippine Army in Camp Capinpin, Tanay, Rizal. Lt. Col. Javier was their battalion commander. Their group was under then Col. Ramon L. Cannu, commanding officer of the 2nd Infantry Brigade.

First digging

Their first digging operation was in March 1973 near Lake Caliraya in Lumban, Laguna, according to the retired soldiers.

"Sometime on early morning of the first week of March 1973, we were secretly tasked to provide manpower for digging operations and security to a huge part of the infamous and legendary Yamashita WWII treasures consisting of gold bars and gemstones buried by Japanese soldiers within the plateau in the vicinity of Lake Caliraya Resort, in Cavinti, Laguna,'' their affidavit states.

Their unit stayed in the area up to the last week of April 1973, but a platoon-sized detachment remained to "ward off New People's Army elements operating there.''

They started the preliminary work--setting up steel sheets around the area and constructing the akeshift field barracks--and then dug the area as instructed.

Ver's PGB and high-ranking officers inspected the construction of the makeshift field barracks and the "pounding of long flat steel bars which served as perimeter fence at the treasure site about to be dug up . . .''

Dominguez, who was in the first group, recalled how they prepared to dig a hole in the ground 30 feet wide and 35 feet deep, as instructed by their superior officers. Their stay of several months extended to a year.

Animal offerings

They were even told to make offerings--pigs or chickens which were killed at the site to appease "enkantos'' who were supposedly guarding the treasures. Otherwise, they could encounter severe difficulty at the digging site. The ground would mysteriously swell with water or some of their things would get lost. Even the soldiers themselves were told to have no "dark intentions'' and to be "pure in heart'' so they could accomplish their objective, Dominguez said.

President Marcos himself came to visit them at the site whenever there was a glimpse of success. He also made "random visits'' aboard a helicopter during the diggings, they said.

"During these operations, members of our unit saw four Japanese nationals together with ex-president Ferdinand E. Marcos, Generals Fabian Ver and Ramon Cannu, Lt. Colonels Lachica and Javier D. Carbonnel, and Capt. Renato Jamora and some members of the elite Presidential Guard Battalion,'' the soldiers' sworn statement says.

Eureka

But it was only on the evening of April 27, 1973, at around 11 p.m., that the "treasure digging activity finally reached its objective.''

They had been using two bulldozers, two backhoe "Kato'' and a heavy-duty crane when they struck something, the first of the group's find.

"Several steel cylindrical drums measuring approximately three feet long and 1.5 feet in diameter, and an undetermined number of rectangular copper boxes (three feet long, one foot wide and two feet high) entombed in several thick concrete vaults were unearthed at an estimated depth of 35 to 40 feet,'' they claim in their joint affidavit.

One of the concrete vaults was accidentally hit by the Kato backhoe while the vaults were being dug up. Until that time, the soldiers didn't know what they were sent down there to dig.

Because of repeated strikes, the teeth of the backhoe broke the body of the vault, hitting a steel drum inside it. The soldiers saw "heavy yellow metal gold which gleamed amidst the floodlights concentrated on the big digging area.'' One of the bars which they saw was a foot long, three inches wide and almost two inches thick.

Marcos elated

After more than 30 minutes, three helicopters arrived. Two Huey military-type helicopters came escorting a presidential chopper ferrying Marcos, Ver, Cannu, Felix and some PGB close-in security personnel. They came to inspect the treasure find. Marcos could not contain his excitement, the soldiers said.

"When the ex-PFM saw the successful operation, he was very much elated and very happy with the group numbering about 60 soldiers who were there at that time. The others (soldiers) were away manning the second and third layer perimeter security of the digging area,'' their affidavit says.

Marcos allegedly told them in Tagalog: You will all share in everything that's here but you have to wait for the right time.

The concrete vaults (approximately six feet long, five feet wide and five feet high) were lifted one by one through the use of a heavy crane and were placed aboard three six by six military trucks which were on a 24-hour stand-by near the battalion headquarters command post at the area.

"Before the former President and (his) party left the place, we overheard him instructing General Ver apparently on where to transport and hide the gold bars which (task) was carried out by PGB elements,'' the soldiers' sworn statement says.

"Sometime in the fourth week of April 1973, we were pulled out from the area, but a platoon-sized detachment was left and stayed there for almost a year after the site was further improved as new tourist spot into what is called now as Japanese Shrine Sunken Garden,'' they said.

After the digging at Lake Caliraya in Laguna, the other company elements of the reactivated 16th Infantry Battalion were utilized to provide the same security detail services and conduct treasure digging operations separately in the areas of Montalban, Antipolo, Baras and Teresa all in Rizal province from 1974 to 1981. This led to the activation of the "Task Force Restoration'' under Lt. Col. Porferio Gemoto sometime in 1977 and 1978.

To justify the continuous service of these soldiers in the treasure-digging operations, some company elements of the 16th Infantry Battalion were placed under the operational control of the Presidential Security Command in Malaca&ntilde ;ang with provisional headquarters at an old incinerator plant located in front of Mu&ntilde ;oz, Edsa, Quezon City, the soldiers' affidavit said.

Task Force Restoration had then extended its operations to the Intramuros-Manila Cathedral area near where the Palacio del Gobernador was built.

Discovery of tunnels

In 1972, before the diggings happened, Marcos' men discovered a vast tunnel "within the Pasig River'' along what is now the Napindan flood control project, underground tunnels from the Fort Bonifacio military reservation up to Villamor Air Base and Bicutan-Taguig via Fort Bonifacio Army General Hospital.

These secret tunnels preceded all the other treasure hunting and digging operations. The soldiers said the gold discoveries made by Marcos, as well as their operations, were the real reasons why he started his strongman rule "in the guise of a threatening rebellion by the alleged newly revitalized CPP/NPA (Communist Party of the Philippines, New People's Army) and Muslim secessionism in Mindanao.''

In fact, Marcos allegedly had to create the conditions for this to justify martial law and allow the secret diggings done by newly recruited soldiers sent to the countryside allegedly for "field training.''

Diggers tell of 60,000 tons of treasure

THERE was a different group who dug, another group in charge of transporting the boxes containing the treasures, and another group who took care of securing these before they were transported outside the country. This is according to Roberto Caoile, spokesperson of the Forgotten Claimants of Yamashita-World War II Treasures Versus Marcos Estate Inc.

The trucks which transported the crates of gold bars and other treasures were large six by six trucks heavily covered and boarded up, Caoile said. Some of the WW II gold bars were coated in black hardened tar and asphalt to ``discourage innocent finders during these treasure-hunting operations,'' Caoile said.

The gold bars dug by the soldiers were stored in the vaults of the old Central Bank in Intramuros. Later, in the mid-1970s, Marcos ``ordered the construction of a new and modern coin and gold minting and refining plant of the Central Bank along East Avenue in Diliman, Quezon City.''

According to the soldiers, this was to ``further accommodate voluminous bulk of Yamashita gold bars and bullions for remelting''- to change their original forms and markings which included the countries where the gold came from.

There were orders from Marcos to erase the marks from the gold bars which the soldiers had dug up, Caoile said. This was to prevent the government of the countries which the Japanese had looted from discovering these. At that time in the '70s, only 30 years after the last World War, these countries still had the right to ask for the return of their treasures.

The different gold bars which the soldiers dug up had inscriptions such as ``Cambodia'' with five star markings; ``Sumatra'' with four stars; ``Burma'' with three stars, and other marks identical to the countries of their origin.

The Cambodia gold bars weighed 6.3 kilograms each; the Sumatra gold bars weighed 6.2 kg each; and the Burma bars weighed around 6 kg each.

Upon orders from Marcos, the original size and weight of the gold bars were modified to make it appear that these did not come from the Japanese treasure loot; thus, the need to remelt these at the Central Bank, the soldiers claimed.

Shipped out

The soldiers' affidavit says ``crates by crates'' of gold bars were shipped out of the country via the Manila International Airport (now the Ninoy Aquino International Airport) using C-130 military aircraft after martial law was proclaimed. This was witnessed by perimeter security personnel of the airport.

``During those years of diggings and excavations, frequent electric power brownouts occurred (in) the Greater Manila area intentionally done to cover up the series of transport of gold bars from treasure sites to the Central Bank or secret warehouse vaults pre-designated by ex-PFM thru General Ver,'' a document prepared by the new claimant group of soldiers says.

The group said even before martial rule in 1972, Marcos had already successfully excavated gold bullions and gemstones at the Manila Railroad Company (MRRCO, now PNR) yard complex at Tutuban terminal. This was at the start of his first term as president from 1965 to 1969.

He started treasure digging when elected president in 1965 but could not finish it in four years; thus the need to employ soldiers to continue the work under Task Force Restoration when he was reelected, the forgotten Claimants said.

60,000 metric tons

The soldiers claimed that in all, they excavated and retrieved more than 60,000 metric tons of gold bars, bullions, and other precious metals such as palladium, platinum, chrome, nickel, zinc and little babbitt bars. There were precious gems such as diamonds, both cut and uncut.

Among the ``major'' treasure sites which the soldiers, who now formed the ``Forgotten Claimants of Yamashita,'' had dug up were in Caliraya in Cavinti-Lumban, Laguna; Baras and Teresa in Rizal province; Montalban caves in Montalban, Rizal; Montalban Mascat; Sitio Mayagay, Sampaloc in Tanay, Rizal; Fort Bonifacio Tunnel; Fort Bonifacio hospital; the area of the Manpower and Youth building; Bastion de San Lorenzo in Fort Santiago; Muņoz in Nueva Ecija; Balok bridge, also in Nueva Ecija; site of the Central Luzon State University statue in Muņoz; Sta. Fe in Nueva Vizcaya; Campo 4 in San Jose, Nueva Vizcaya; and San Mateo in Rizal province.

According to them, the Japanese army units had subdivided the treasures they brought into the country and buried them in places classified as major and minor treasure sites. The Japanese allegedly used the Manila Railroad Co. to transport the treasures.

Major or minor treasure sites depended on the ``suitability, concealment, permanency and location of man-made, built-up areas, mountainous and/ or rolling hills, terrain with creeks, rivers, dams, big acacia, mango, camachile or duhat trees that serve as references for future retrieval of said treasure deposits,'' the soldiers' said.

This excludes the four, six, eight or more pieces of gold bars usually found underneath big acacia or mango trees where they had been stashed by low-ranking Japanese soldiers while their superior officers were not looking.

In some of the major treasure sites, the soldiers even found skeletons still wearing their tattered uniforms and helmets, and with their swords beside them.

In Fort Santiago alone, there were more than 100 boxes of treasures which the soldiers found buried under the old torture chamber, Bastion de San Lorenzo, which is just near the Pasig River.

The gold treasures were buried at or below sea level where the ground temperature is cooler to prevent melting.

Too poor to file

Their lawyer, Benjamin Rosario, said the soldiers have all the right to file a claims suit against the Marcoses because they had a ``direct hand and knowledge about the treasure digging activities of the Marcoses.'' In fact, they directly participated in these activities.

Most of the soldiers are poor. Not much has changed since they were young recruits digging for gold. Much as they wanted to file a suit directly to the Zurich tribunal as instructed by Swiss Ambassador Kurt Hoechner, they could not do so because of the monumental lawyer's fees they have to pay.

A Swiss lawyer's asking price is 500 to 600 francs per hour. ``Where will we get the money?'' said the group's spokesperson, Caoile. They have already written Hoechner, about their plight and their plan to file a suit in Zurich.

Swiss envoy regrets

On April 29, 1996, they sent most of their vital documents to Hoechner to seek help from the Swiss Embassy in filing their claim.

On Sept. 5, 1996, Hoechner wrote back: ``I regret to inform you that the Swiss Embassy is not in a position to forward those documents to a court in Zurich. Indeed, the Embassy cannot be considered as legal place of service for a civil suit pending before a Swiss court. You are obliged to serve these papers by other means directly to the Tribunal in Zurich.''

Hoechner said that as far as the so-called ``Marcos case'' is concerned, the Swiss government is limited to the request for judicial assistance in criminal matters under the pertinent Swiss law made by the Philippine government through the PCGG.Loyal, confidential'

``The more than 100 major treasure sites of Mr. Marcos including minor ones could not just be excavated by himself alone without utilizing the trusted, loyal and confidential services of a big number of diggers composed of the Task Force Restoration members,'' their document states. Even in President Ramos' time, there have been secret diggings, they add.

No talk

Caoile said Marcoses and other government officials including President Ramos would ``never talk about the gold.'' ``Instead, they will deny and torture the minds and belief of the people by telling them that these Marcos gold is nothing but a mere hoax, fiction, fantasies of a fertile and speculative mind,'' he said.

``They do not want to expose the truth about the Marcos gold because they are expecting to benefit out of it in collaboration and connivance with foreign conspirators both here and abroad,'' he added.


``The Swiss Embassy in Manila has no role in these proceedings. A discussion with the private claimants on this matter can therefore not take place and would be to no avail,'' he added.

When they wrote the US District Court in California, they were given an option for a ``pauper trial'' since they had no money. There was a list of lawyers to choose from. But the old ``gold soldiers'' were apprehensive about a ``pauper trial'' since, according to them, they would ``lose for sure.''

In late 1995, around December, they wrote Credit Suisse and Swiss Banking Corp., two of the Swiss banks which hold the frozen $500 million Marcos accounts. They did not receive any answer. Shortly after that, the two Swiss banks initiated a mediation with the Philippine government and the lawyers of the 10,000 human rights victims to settle the conflicting claims on the Marcos deposits. This came to nothing as no settlement was agreed upon without the Marcoses' consent.

``The banks probably got scared with the appearance of a new claimant group which knew a lot about the Marcos treasures,'' Caoile said.

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Is Wikipedia really a reputable and accurate source of info, Karl? I think not.

After EDSA happened, I do remember reading in the papers of the Marcoses flight to Hawaii...by jet. Now, they may have been picked up by helo, maybe some of their stuff was transported by C130, I dunno, but a few other sources mention that their journey to Hawaii was by jet-powered craft.

"CLARK AIR FORCE BASE - The Americans provided two jet aircraft, capable of transporting 500 persons - a Boeing 707 and a B-747. The Marcos party was given security during the operation by US Marines."

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There are a few other sites which mention the flight of the Marcoses, I'm sure you can google them...and all say it was by jet-powered craft. How credible are they? I have no idea. In this day and age one can never be sure of what is true, be it in spoken or written form. And heck if I'm gonna research every single thing I read or am told. There'd be no time left to do anything else then! Grin If something I read or am told pertains importantly to my personal life and matters, for sure due diligence has to be done.

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Agreed. It was all a cover story to mask his thievery. And IMHO, Seagraves is as credible as Wikipedia. Wink



We Filipinos had been deprived of the truth because they thought they could reign forever. They controlled both televisions and newspapers. All news must pass his office before they could be published. They made us ignorant so that he can take all the golds and connive with the Chinese investors secretly...

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Well back on topic, we know Marco had billions of dollars in gold and cash when he came to Hawaii. Where did it came from?
In my opinion he was a criminal he stole from the government private business anyone and anywhere he could.
Did he find Yamashita Treasure? I don't think so it was a cover story to explain his wealth period. Seagraves and many others jumped on the band wagon to spared the legend. Was Seagraves and others paid by Marco to help invent the treasure legend ?  Again in my opinion Yes.


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``The more than 100 major treasure sites of Mr. Marcos including minor ones could not just be excavated by himself alone without utilizing the trusted, loyal and confidential services of a big number of diggers composed of the Task Force Restoration members,'' their document states. Even in President Ramos' time, there have been secret diggings, they add.

No talk

Caoile said Marcoses and other government officials including President Ramos would ``never talk about the gold.'' ``Instead, they will deny and torture the minds and belief of the people by telling them that these Marcos gold is nothing but a mere hoax, fiction, fantasies of a fertile and speculative mind,'' he said.

``They do not want to expose the truth about the Marcos gold because they are expecting to benefit out of it in collaboration and connivance with foreign conspirators both here and abroad,'' he added.

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Hobbyist u believe what u want, it doesn't bother me one bit.  As far as Seagraves goes this is the first and only time I have ever heard of them. But hey whatever.

Now if the Marcoses did leave with all the yamashita fortune then why to heck is everyone still looking for it ? ? ?



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« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2011, 03:35:51 am »
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Jewelfortune, I understand the peoples need to believe in the treasure, because the poeple had so little for so long, But finding
that amount of soldiers who beleave in the treasure would be very easy, If i did a search on this forum I could find at leased
1000 believers, but the fact still remains no one has ever found one piece of the treasure or seen any of it, there has never been
any proof of it, not documented, not photographed, not one single once of gold has ever been seen.
I have found Gold items, I have photographs, I have Receipts for the Gold, I have at least 16 persons who have handled the Gold,
and the person who photographed the Gold has timed and dated evidence of the photographs.
My point here is if it took me two weeks to find the Gold, then why has no one found proof in 66 years that 66,000 tons of Gold
exsists and not one once has ever been seen. You can not hide 66,000 tons of Gold and not have one piece of evidence or one
piece of Gold to show or as proof, No matter what you can not shrink Gold down any smaller than it is,
As I have said before we have over 1000 members on this forum who believe in it and the best any of you can come up with
is a lump of old WWII concrete saying it is part of a treasure room or a sign on a rock, and as for claims that western treasure
hunters came and cut down the trees to stop people from finding the treasure is stupid and Lies, The airlines would never let us
on board an aircraft with a Chain Saw or an Axe. And in all my years of treasure hunting i have never seen a treasure hunter with
a Felling Axe or a Chain Saw or carrying Petrol/mix cans Plus oil for the chain and sharpening equipment and still carry his hunting
Equipment, But the best reason is because 99.99% of western People DO NOT BELIEVE we all think it is a joke or lies or just
plain Crazy and we get sick and tired of hearing differant versions of the same old lies.
Like I said you can not hide  some thing that is that big or sell it because it would distroy the value of Gold all over the world.

If you wish to believe thats just great, But you will get richer buying a metal detector and going to detect on you local tourist
Beach because there you will find GOLD, SILVER, and Money lost by the Western Tourists,

One other thing, Don't believe what you read in news papers because reporters are amoungst the biggist LIARS in the world.

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« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2011, 06:58:43 am »
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Quote:Posted by Karl
Hobbyist u believe what u want, it doesn't bother me one bit.  As far as Seagraves goes this is the first and only time I have ever heard of them. But hey whatever.

Now if the Marcoses did leave with all the yamashita fortune then why to heck is everyone still looking for it ? ? ?




If this is really the first time you've heard of the Seagraves, consider yourself lucky. I'm sure wikipedia has a few articles on those authors of pseudo-history tripe if you care to look it up.

As for your other question on why "everyone" is looking for it, I'm not. Maybe jewelfortune's posts will tell you why.

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