The Inverse-Square Law as Applied to LRL/MFD

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	Re: The Inverse-Square Law as Applied to LRL/MFD « Reply #10 on: August 06, 2006, 01:23:26 pm »

Nice little side-step, Dell...

If we remove ALL the crying and b'chin and all the other BS that you put in your last posting --we come up with one simple fact:

You can't offer up believeable and validated proof that your "black-box"-assisted dowsing rods, or your copy of the Fitzgerald locator rod, operate differently (and more accurately) than plain old bent-wire coathangers.

That's cool. You don't have to get all bent out of shape about it. Just say, ...you don't have any proof other than unsubstantiated anecdotal accountings.

This particular thread, Black Box Technologies, asked the question; "Do they work?"

In and around protecting myself from your attacks, I have followed the theme --and offered logical, technical, real reasons why they not only don't work ---but that they can't work.

I can't help it if the evidence I've provided makes your products look like scam dowsing contraptions. I wasn't the one that placed a price tag of in excess of $900 on them ---now did I? That was your choice.

If something is really worth that kind of dough, you should be able to come up with a whole lot more validation for those products than you have up to this point. Since you haven't, and you can't ---I (or anyone else) has the right to call it what it is!

I guess if you were trying to sell the stuff for 35 cents, which is "perhaps" what a good wire coathanger would go for these days ---I'd have to change my terminology.

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	Re: The Inverse-Square Law as Applied to LRL/MFD « Reply #11 on: August 06, 2006, 07:44:42 pm »

Chris,
Do you like pendulums? I know of a man who made one of brass and one of: I think it was ebony. Did you ever try his devices? Were his findings validated as successful before he marketed them do you suppose? Probably, as he insisted on validation proof from everyone else.

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	Re: The Inverse-Square Law as Applied to LRL/MFD « Reply #12 on: August 07, 2006, 02:28:44 am »

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	Re: The Inverse-Square Law as Applied to LRL/MFD « Reply #13 on: August 07, 2006, 02:31:33 am »

I'm sorry guys but I am still stuck back where I asked how it is justified to charge 300.00 for two pieces of bent wire ? :-/

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	Re: The Inverse-Square Law as Applied to LRL/MFD « Reply #14 on: August 07, 2006, 02:51:27 am »

Chris when it comes to money exchanging hand to hand for these devices that's where the fun stops for me. I personally do not believe these instruments do anything. I watched a video the other day showing a demonstration of one such Black Box Device on the internet and as far as I'm concerned, the guy knew he was not telling the truth and he knew that most viewers knew he was scamming them. But his hope is that those very few would believe him and contact him for his services.
But even with me knowing they don't work I am still willing to play around with these gadgets and I feel I have made a friend that sells these units in particular because I feel if there is a chance of discovering something new in the process of experimenting then it is all in the fun of it. I love electronic gadgets and all of these devices are just that.
For me it is not worth wasting time arguing the fact that the BBT doesn't work and if people have enough money to blow it on BBT then more power to them. I'm not losing anything over it for sure.
Chris thanks for your physics writeup and yes fellows there are laws of this physical world were living in that will never be changed. God Bless Chris and all the BBT people out there.

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	Re: The Inverse-Square Law as Applied to LRL/MFD « Reply #15 on: August 07, 2006, 02:55:12 am »

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I'm sorry guys but I am still stuck back where I asked how it is justified to charge 300.00 for two pieces of bent wire ? :-/

That's okay, John. There are many of us stuck in the same spot ---asking that same type of question about all of these dowsing contraptions.

I'm not sure what brand of contraption you have in mind, but many of them are 3 TIMES $300. Even thousands of dollars.

Since the manufacturers of these items have NOT ONCE shown any evidence to back up their CLAIMS (intimated or real) for why two (or in some cases one) bent wires and a box of do-nothing electronics would be worth that kind of money ---about the only answer anyone can come up with is this one:

There ARE a few on this Earth with more money than brains, they are completely dumbfounded by something known as the ideomotor effect, and they dream of finding treasure with these "magical" dowsing contraptions.

Thus.... was born the market, and a few LRL scam artists are taking advantage of it. Can you blame them?

Not really... as long as they can sleep at night, the money they bilk out of those poor saps spends just as well as the money some of the rest of us "work" for.

It's really no different than putting colored water in bottle (snake oil) and selling it as the Elixir of Life. You'll always get a few "takers", and it doesn't take but just one or two to turn a nice profit.

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	Re: The Inverse-Square Law as Applied to LRL/MFD « Reply #16 on: August 07, 2006, 03:27:03 am »

That's what I was thinking when I made the last two comments(snake oil). Ok CU later Chris.

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	Re: The Inverse-Square Law as Applied to LRL/MFD « Reply #17 on: August 07, 2006, 08:11:48 am »

Hi John....Chis and I agree on one thing. Before you put a lot of money in them find out if they work for you and if you have a use for them. You can download the sound freq off the internet and try it for free. Not a very good field generator but may work for you. If your still interested send me an e-mail I will tell you another way to test for under $50. I'm so dumb that I ordered another LRL as I know it will pay for its self in a few weeks. I broke a bunch of Physical Laws this weekend.
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	Re: The Inverse-Square Law as Applied to LRL/MFD « Reply #18 on: August 07, 2006, 12:43:31 pm »

Hello Art, no doubt that one should try it out first before spending big bucks. There are many uknowns in this world and like Tim W. said we have a lot of things to learn. Let me ask this, how are you guys using the rods for the receive mode in determining where some item may be located ? If I am getting it right I have only seen a transmitter and no receiver. Are the rods somehow showing what direction to go to ? I am interested in how everybody that uses this BBT stuff determines when they are onto a cache or a single coin. Ok Art God Bless and please don't trip and impale yourself on those rods Lips Sealed

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	Re: The Inverse-Square Law as Applied to LRL/MFD « Reply #19 on: January 20, 2007, 06:07:32 pm »

Hi Chris,

I am not a proponent of LRL's, but there are a couple of points I'd like to make.

In your explanation of the inverse square law, you assumed that the transmitted energy is propagated equally in all directions (spherical propagation). This is certainly the case for a point source, but it is not necessarily the case for a directed beam type of antenna.

The energy can be focused in a given direction (ie. a cone of propagation). Indeed, it has to be, if the LRL is going to be capable of showing the direction to the target location. Omnidirectional propagation and detection would preclude being able to provide a bearing to the target.

So, one needs to make allowances for that in the calculations. Instead of taking the surface area of a complete sphere, one needs to take the surface area of the base of the cone at the given distance to the target.

Assuming the transmitter antenna had a very agressive two degree beam aperture (pi/90 radians), then the surface area of the circle of transmitted energy at a distance of 1 mile is ~ 490,000*pi sq. inches. Given the gold ball surface area of 13 sq. inches, the energy intercepted by the gold ball is only 13/490,000 of the original. Still an extremely small amount to make the whole thing seem feasable.

I just wanted to refine things a little and show that even for a well designed directed beam antenna, the math just doesn't work out.

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