The Inverse-Square Law as Applied to LRL/MFD

The original post for this thread is quoted below. This is exactly what I am talking about when I say the skeotics misapply electronics theory as related to an MFD signal line. MFD does not work on radio wave principles. As I have said it is a lot closer to Witricity. The post goes on to ridicule Dell whan he said the signal line develops at about 200 mph. Obviously this is not radio waves but that point seems to have flown right over the skeptics' head. They are clueless. BTW, does Witricity follow the inverse square rule? By all definitions the answer is a definite "NO".

		Quote:			Posted by Chris
	In an effort to stay with the theme of this particular area of the forum, and to add input to answer the question: Do they work? ...I have lifted some information that appeared a few years back and provided it below.  I'm confident the original author would not mind me placing it here in this forum. I realize it is long, and involves some real electronic terminology, which some will not understand ---however, the information is quite pertinent and should be here in this topic area. It was originally posted on October 3, 1999, by the author Evan. Read and understand... if you come to a term you don't understand, look it up on the Internet, or a high school science text book. The fallacy of the inverse-square law as applied to the MFD Electromagnetic radiation (radio waves, light, etc.) consists of interacting, self-sustaining electric and magnetic fields that propagate through empty space at the speed of 299,792 km per second. These waves cover a wide spectrum of frequencies. When a direct current (DC) is applied to a wire (conductor) the current flow builds an electromagnetic field around the wire, propagating a wave outward from the wire. When the current is removed the field collapses, again propagating a wave. If the current is applied and removed repeatedly over a period of time, or if the applied current is made to alternate its polarity with a uniform period of time, a series of waves is propagated at a discrete frequency. This phenomenon is the basis of electromagnetic radiation. Electromagnetic radiation is propagated nominally in a straight line at the speed of light in a vacuum, and does not require a medium for transmission. The amount of energy arriving at a detecting device of fixed area located at a given distance from an isotropic source is proportional to the amount of energy passing the surface of an imaginary sphere with a radius of the given distance. Therefore, the amount of electromagnetic energy passing through a unit area decreases with the square of the distance from the source. This relationship is known as the inverse-square law of (electromagnetic) propagation. It accounts for loss of signal strength over space, called space loss. Suppose for a minute we have a device (MFD or similar device) that could couple 1 watt of rf energy to it's antenna, and transmit the entire amount. (This is a reach by any means, and calculations of battery consumption and antenna efficiency can easily prove this, but let's just suppose for a minute that it can.) Again, let's suppose that a mile away, we have a piece of gold about the size of a softball that we're going to detect. Not a bad find, if we could find it. The one watt of energy we sent out from out transmitter moves away from the source at the speed of light (not 200mph, sorry Dell). At a distance of one mile, all that power is spread evenly on the surface of an imaginary sphere with a radius of one mile (5280 feet). The maximum amount of this one watt available to the gold ball is equal to the area of the gold ball, divided by the surface area of the imaginary 1 mile radius sphere multiplied by the 1 watt. The surface area of the sphere is 4 pi r^2, in our case r=5280 feet or 63,360 inches. If we apply the formula, the surface area of the sphere would be 50,400,000,000 square inches. The gold ball is about 4 inches in diameter, so it has a cross sectional area of about 13 square inches. The total power that can be imparted to the gold is then 13 divided by 50,400,000,000 or about .00000000026 watts (not a whole hell of a lot). Now, in order to detect the gold back where we are, a mile away, the gold must release all of this energy back out so it can be "detected". The same equations hold true for the return trip, except that the gold is now the transmitter, and it can generate at the very most .00000000026 watts. This time, we'll assume a larger receiver, about 1 square foot or 144 square inches, a little large for a couple of "L" rods but who's counting. Anyway, applying the same equation, the amount of power we can intercept is 0.00000000000000000074 watts. This is an amount so very, very small, it would be comparable to being able to find a specific grain of sand, located somewhere on this planet, not going to happen......... The fact that the antenna efficiency is probably less than 1/100,000 has not even been accounted for and would just make it that much smaller. The fallacy of the inverse-square law in this application is only that it has to be applied twice. Once for the signal going out, and once for the return trip. The effect is that the signal is reduced by the distance to the fourth power, and not just the second power.   So......All those expensive wonder electronics in the MFD's and similar gadgets, do absolutely nothing to help find remote objects (sorry) Evan

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	Electromagnetic radiation is propagated nominally in a straight line

Thats imposible the word Radiate meens that it spreads and even i know that Electromagnetic fields cover a wider area than
the Item that is sending them out like a CB it sends it's signal in ever increasing circles and for it to do this it would have to be contained.

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	the gold is now the transmitter, and it can generate at the very most .00000000026 watts. This time, we'll assume a larger receiver, about 1 square foot or 144 square inches, a little large for a couple of "L" rods but who's counting. Anyway, applying the same equation, the amount of power we can intercept is 0.00000000000000000074 watts

Don't forget it is a provern fact that Gold is low conductive and has no power of its own,                                                              , and those power quotes are impossible to measure because no Multi meter exsists that can go to that many Zeros.

Bottom line is it don't work  and reality seems to be slipping off the plate here

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	The post goes on to ridicule Dell whan he said the signal line develops at about 200 mph

We dont have to, Dang it he beat us to the Draw.

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	but that point seems to have flown right over the skeptics' head. They are clueless.

The only thing that flew over my head was the KLM 7.20 to Stutgart

Clueless yes,  Clueless as to why anyone who makes such claims is allowed to sell snake oil

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LOL! I'd tell ya what I seen flying over head but I'd loose my High Power Status as a MOD and be banned for sure.

Hint:  New Mexico!

NO I didn't eat any Cactus!



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We never loose, i'm always finding stuff with proven Technology, culculators straped on boxes with no connecting parts
and switches joined with wires and no parts is just a box full of wires and switches.
I'm glad people believe in fantasies because we always get a good laugh Regarding the maths and the 20 digit multi meter
Readings quoted by the misleading to the misinformed.



LOL!   I think the same about TDI numbers!

Computers LIE!

Ya Want it All, Ya Gotta Dig it All!

 

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	Wa, Wa Wa.

So, still no evidence. Just crying. No surprise there.

Posted on: April 21, 2011, 03:38:01 AM

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		Quote:			Posted by Mike
	You guys lose on this one but as usual you try to spin. How is it that Witricity can pick up 60% of the power? That is not what the inverse square rule says. What part of that don't you understand? It's not radio wave transmission. That's okay, I won't hit you anymore on this one. You don't get it and I don't care.

Unfortunately, nothing here is even remotely related to dowsing so it is completely irrelevant. Why can't you just discuss dowsing and how you can prove it works? I know the answer so don't bother to reply.

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