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« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2010, 02:25:06 pm »
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There is a lot fairly recent research to show there is a whole new area of physics on what are called scalar waves, also called torsion fields, plus few other names with very highly credible physicists who have validated these types of energies. They are non-electromagnetic and propagate at much higher speeds that the current speed of light (~3exp10 cm/sec). Dowsing and other related phenomena are theorized to be using these torsion waves. Supposedly the Russians have developed long range mineral detection capabilities using the physics of the torsion wave physics. If you want to read about these I recommend a new book out covering this topic and many other related topics. the book is by Dr. Claude Swanson (a phd in physics) "Lifeforce, the Scientific Basis". The book is a real tour de force at over 700 pages.

I have personally developed torsion fields and scalar fields in the lab and tested some of the phenomena. It is real, it is beyond the current accepted standard model, it is a major breakthrough coming down the pike to change a lot of what we know about energy and physics. The current orthodox is full of contradictions, holes, and unable to explain a lot of real phenomena. If you want some other background check out Y-Bias Theory and Self Organizing Criticality (SOC).

Have fun - I think this new physics coming in a going to be a real wake-up call for all you doubting thomases. Smiley




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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2010, 10:05:19 am »
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In an effort to stay with the theme of this particular area of the forum, and to add input to answer the question: Do they work?

...I have lifted some information that appeared a few years back and provided it below.  I'm confident the original author would not mind me placing it here in this forum.

I realize it is long, and involves some real electronic terminology, which some will not understand ---however, the information is quite pertinent and should be here in this topic area.

It was originally posted on October 3, 1999, by the author Evan.

Read and understand... if you come to a term you don't understand, look it up on the Internet, or a high school science text book.

The fallacy of the inverse-square law as applied to the MFD Electromagnetic radiation (radio waves, light, etc.) consists of interacting, self-sustaining electric and magnetic fields that propagate through empty space at the speed of 299,792 km per second. These waves cover a wide spectrum of frequencies. When a direct current (DC) is applied to a wire (conductor) the current flow builds an electromagnetic field around the wire, propagating a wave outward from the wire. When the current is removed the field collapses, again propagating a wave. If the current is applied and removed repeatedly over a period of time, or if the applied current is made to alternate its polarity with a uniform period of time, a series of waves is propagated at a discrete frequency. This phenomenon is the basis of electromagnetic radiation. Electromagnetic radiation is propagated nominally in a straight line at the speed of light in a vacuum, and does not require a medium for transmission. The amount of energy arriving at a detecting device of fixed area located at a given distance from an isotropic source is proportional to the amount of energy passing the surface of an imaginary sphere with a radius of the given distance. Therefore, the amount of electromagnetic energy passing through a unit area decreases with the square of the distance from the source. This relationship is known as the inverse-square law of (electromagnetic) propagation. It accounts for loss of signal strength over space, called space loss.

Suppose for a minute we have a device (MFD or similar device) that could couple 1 watt of rf energy to it's antenna, and transmit the entire amount. (This is a reach by any means, and calculations of battery consumption and antenna efficiency can easily prove this, but let's just suppose for a minute that it can.) Again, let's suppose that a mile away, we have a piece of gold about the size of a softball that we're going to detect. Not a bad find, if we could find it.

The one watt of energy we sent out from out transmitter moves away from the source at the speed of light (not 200mph, sorry Dell). At a distance of one mile, all that power is spread evenly on the surface of an imaginary sphere with a radius of one mile (5280 feet). The maximum amount of this one watt available to the gold ball is equal to the area of the gold ball, divided by the surface area of the imaginary 1 mile radius sphere multiplied by the 1 watt.

The surface area of the sphere is 4 pi r^2, in our case r=5280 feet or 63,360 inches. If we apply the formula, the surface area of the sphere would be 50,400,000,000 square inches. The gold ball is about 4 inches in diameter, so it has a cross sectional area of about 13 square inches. The total power that can be imparted to the gold is then 13 divided by 50,400,000,000 or about .00000000026 watts (not a whole hell of a lot).

Now, in order to detect the gold back where we are, a mile away, the gold must release all of this energy back out so it can be "detected". The same equations hold true for the return trip, except that the gold is now the transmitter, and it can generate at the very most .00000000026 watts. This time, we'll assume a larger receiver, about 1 square foot or 144 square inches, a little large for a couple of "L" rods but who's counting. Anyway, applying the same equation, the amount of power we can intercept is 0.00000000000000000074 watts. This is an amount so very, very small, it would be comparable to being able to find a specific grain of sand, located somewhere on this planet, not going to happen.........

The fact that the antenna efficiency is probably less than 1/100,000 has not even been accounted for and would just make it that much smaller.
The fallacy of the inverse-square law in this application is only that it has to be applied twice. Once for the signal going out, and once for the return trip. The effect is that the signal is reduced by the distance to the fourth power, and not just the second power.
 
So......All those expensive wonder electronics in the MFD's and similar gadgets, do absolutely nothing to help find remote objects (sorry)

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You only forgot to consider one element that cracks all your brute power theory effort. Magnetic Resonance.
Now go back to your math and do it again. Yes, the LRL will find that gold object with no effort.
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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2010, 12:51:37 pm »
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Thanks for your input. There have been extremely detailed studies of dowsing and the proof is that is does work. Not 100% but many of the studies have gotten over 90% reliability. So there is something there. Obviously not orthodox standard electronics or accepted establishment science. The current physics community is working to fill the holes in their theories. There will eventually be a new physics that operates in more advanced domains and LRLs will be one of inventions that comes out of it. It may also be that the really repeatable LRL will come first and that the theory boys will come up with the physics.
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« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2010, 09:16:58 am »
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We couldn't prove 100% that bacteria existed until what? 1650 or so? Then it was still questioned and is STILL questioned as being 'real'. There are tons of holistic type sites that state bacteria are not what we think they are, do not make us sick, yada yada yada.

And we JUST discovered the brain either creates or stores magnetite. And what about calcification of the pineal and DMT?

The old fantasy & sci-fi stories filled with wonder and magick are tomorrows reality.

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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2010, 03:21:03 pm »
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And we JUST discovered the brain either creates or stores magnetite. And what about calcification of the pineal and DMT?

Really? Do tell.

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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2010, 08:11:01 am »
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Heres a couple links to read. Its been on the 'news' as well lately. Plus discussed heavily. Or were you referring to the spirit molecule? haha

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The last two are pseudoscience sites and not worth of even reading. The first might be a new discovery but it begs the question of "what difference does it make?" The article was done as a thesis but it draws no conclusions about being used for anything except as a diagnostic tool. Even then, everything written there is just a footnote regarding the discovery.

Why do you make any connection between magnetic material in the human body and any sort of psychic ability? There's no news there.

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I didnt realize I made that connection. Smiley

Ever read the rules on abortion and why at a certain point in time it becomes "illegal"? At a certain point the mothers body "supposedly" or even "reportedly" shoots a large amount of DMT into the fetus. They say this is when the 'soul' enters the body and it is no longer just a mass of cells. If we can SEE this happen, then how is that pseudoscience?

Try reading Dr. Strassmans work and there is NO pseudoscience there. A few years back, MICROWAVE'S were pseudoscience. Science is NOT then end all answer just as religion is NOT the end all. To me, its the same thing, seeking answers to questions. How often does the scientific community up and change their mind? Once again I bring up bacteria - if YOU were born in 1602, you would call those "alchemists" heretics and see science as a working of the devil. Is alchemy pseudoscience? What about PHYSICS?  Tongue


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I didnt realize I made that connection. Smiley

Ever read the rules on abortion and why at a certain point in time it becomes "illegal"? At a certain point the mothers body "supposedly" or even "reportedly" shoots a large amount of DMT into the fetus. They say this is when the 'soul' enters the body and it is no longer just a mass of cells. If we can SEE this happen, then how is that pseudoscience?

This is all nonsense.

Take this to the nearest science fiction forums.


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At a certain point the mothers body "supposedly" or even "reportedly" shoots a large amount of DMT into the fetus. They say this is when the 'soul' enters the body and it is no longer just a mass of cells.

Show me a soul.

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