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« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2011, 05:18:21 pm »
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it could of been written by perhaps one of four folk. as edward england (seegar), taylor, and oliver la buse were aquainted, along with richard lazenby (who seems to be pretty literate)
and the main ships involved with this lot seem to be the cassandra...cpt james mcraes new ship.the victory ...cpt englands ship...also the fancy...belonging to taylor.....they took the elizabeth off honore...any idea what that was carrying? as it seems it really hacked off the officials in india.
eventually oliver la bouche gets the victory prior to the attack on the viceroy of goas ship.
the cassendra eventually gets a mention in a letter to the directors in jamica may 1723, when the cassandra was at portabello, the letter also mentioned each man had 12 hundred in gold and silver, plus a great store of diamonds and rich goods.
as for the ciphers...were there not 3 to 4 sheets of it? plus it has been said that one person has decoded some of them? is this where we have been taken down the wrong path? based on one mans version of decipher?
if 4 four sheets of code are out there, would that not suggest 4 different sites? as to a sneaky double crossing pirate putting all his eggs into one basket?
so we really aint gonna get very far unless these supossed other dechipers go public if they exist and if they are for real...if anything, someone will one day stumble on it by pure luck.


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« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2011, 08:28:19 pm »
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the chat between moderator and member here in the link below, may shed some light on the earlier life of oliver la vasseur/bouche.
i have never read the sources they mention...perhaps someone here can clarify, comfirm what they are stating.
plus it may add some snippets for other pirates which users here may be looking for.

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« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2011, 01:03:45 am »
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Hello Wuznene

Thank you for the interesting link. Yes there are 4 main sources which helps build up a reasonable picture of La Buse career, However being stickler for the oldest recorded docments, I tend not to rely too much on 20 century authors unless they themselves reveal thier sources.

In fairness to the posters in that forum they do mention the short commings of the sources. That aside it could still give us references to earlier sources.

Some academics belive the Johnson was Daniel Defoe and suggest some of historical events were based on hearsay. However he is fairly contempory to the time period.

Interesting link all the same. Well done.

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« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2011, 02:17:53 am »
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Thanks Wuzname!
That link was interesting!

As for the cipher, as I can see, the patterns of it does not point to the English language. Dutch, German and French are better candidates. However, I'm not an expert on this, even though I have some knowledge.

Hardluck; for my opinion Butin (Bernardin Nageon de L'Estang) had a better reason to create a cipher than Levasseur. A cipher needs to be addressed to someone, who obviously does not know the content but knows the key. Or the cipher can be used as a certificate, as I understand the templars used them for proving that they were allowed to get money (or what they needed) while traveling. It is also possible to divide ciphers up in parts, so that the content is revealed only by combining them.

There seems not to be much info about Butin, which is a little strange as at least someone claimed that one of 'his' treasures were found in 1910-20 sometime (but I haven't searched that well).
If you haven't seen it, here's one link:

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« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2011, 04:20:41 am »
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Hi all,

It would be nice to know more about the cipher and to get some new photo-copies of it. Does anyone know if it can be done?
As I understand it, it is kept in the national library in Paris(?). Does that mean the anyone can walk in there and have a look at it? Does anyone know?

What I am looking for is:
- Fresh photo-copies of the cipher and the alphabet
- A judgement of the age of the papers they are written on, is it 1720 or 1920?
- Does the cipher and alphabet seem to be written at the same time / by the same person?

Maybe there is someone here who live in Paris or about to visit..  =)

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« Reply #55 on: July 14, 2011, 09:24:49 pm »
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looking for some info on john matthews, did he work with john taylor and la bouche?
also, is there any mention anywhere of a guy called otis, otits? killed while on land?

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« Reply #56 on: July 14, 2011, 10:17:20 pm »
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Hello All

CaptEvil: I tend to agree with you that the cyphers if was an authentic copy of originals now since lost, then perhaps it was connected to Nageon de L'stang? However from what I understand of this person he was not the pirate as some authors claimed but a naval officer and perhaps he was a more of a treasure hunter.

Wuzeneme: It is good idea you have is to understand people around Le Buse in which drag out more information about what was happening at the time. I would be interested to hear any results you find out about these men.

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« Reply #57 on: July 15, 2011, 05:25:46 am »
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mattews gossips about the cpt, taylor is mentioned i think, otis am unsure about.
but finding path through reef is mentioned, measuring reef is mentioned, v rule is mentioned (contours) abutement is mentioned, horny men were mentioned, men must rest was mentioned, this is what i am getting via cryptogram.the rest aint finished with.
its like a sorta diary of random events. and its in french from my interpretation of it.

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« Reply #58 on: July 15, 2011, 06:12:56 am »
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I realized something yesterday, which may be what you're referring to. Or this is a funny coincidence.

This is some guessing, but anyway..
Assuming the key is correct, I studied where possible digits are located in the text. The first one appears at character no 4, which is an E or a 2. The fifth letter is a strange one, could be a square = J, but, what if this is a 0?
This then reads as: APR 20
Or longer: APR 20 ME Y UNE PAIRE DE PIJOINT.. (Pijont seem to exist as a family name).

The Cabo was (referring to your forum link with the time-line, Foxe) attacked on Eastern sunday 1721. According to the orthodox calender, this was April 20!

Does anyone know which calender to use?

So, to criticize this idea:
- April is not spelt with an 'p' in French, Spanish nor Portuguese
- The fifth letter = 0 is a wild guess
- We don't know if the key (the alphabet) is related to the cipher (E = 2??)
- The calender / date


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« Reply #59 on: July 15, 2011, 11:15:30 am »
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yes you' r rignt

1=a
2=e
3=i
4=o
5=u

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