Tayopa

Hello all

Some very interesting points with this legend. I have no opinion either way on the truth of the legend and thus keep my mind open. However I think there is some scope for further research into the legend. Any one who knows my Modus operandi will know that I will want to see primary documents.
 
It is interesting to me at least is that this story is it has always seemed to lack primary documents but has a fair bit of circumstancial evidence. Some things presented have nibbled around the edges but not quite to get it past the line so to speak.

I do have a few references that might be of interest. But for now I  would like to focas on a key part of the legend. this mysterious inventory Document Allegedly found by Henry O flipper in 1911 and the one By Ruggles.

In one version Henry O' Flipper allegely obtained the document from Spain? Another says he found the document in Sonora?

There has been much said about Henry Ossian Flipper. But what evidence is that he found this alleged document all? In regards to stories claiming he went to Spain to look for documents on Tayopa?

There is no evidence he went to Spain at all. I have his shipping documents He only travelled by sea in 1923. Flipper went to work in Venezuela as an engineer in the petroleum industry. However his bio mentions he spent time in Mexico so it is possible that he found the document in Sonora? However in his works as prolifc writer he seems to not have mentionied the topic at all?

Perhaps it was possible both Ruggles and Flipper found the same document and copied it?

now in regards to this 1646 document. Did anyone confirm the  identity of the Priest mentioned in the alleged document? Was there a father Guardian Fray, Francisco  Villegas Garsina y Orosco vicar General of the Jesuits of Tayopa?

That coffee is looking good

Hardluck

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G'evening my friends:  Cofffe ?

Flippers famous document that he found in Spain while looking for Tayopa and other mines for col Greene.

It is 100% correct.   any questions?

Don Jose de la Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist"


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good morning Hard luck, my esteemed friend:  I never begin to post without first having coffee, join me ?

You posted -->In regards to your comments "First, if there had been any readily available, reliable, primary data on Tayopa, La Tarasca, Las Pimas, La Gloria pan & Las Perlas de Tepoca mines, which were closed at the same time, they would not have continued to be lost until recently, but would have been recovered over 400 years ago."

 I do not think they were ever really lost just became un-identified over time.
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La Tarasca and Las Pimas are still unknown.  There is a late workings also called La Tarasca, but it is not the one of the legend. La Gloria Pan has been located but not opened, I will post the story if anyone is actually interested.

Tepoca has been located also, but again not opened.  It was found primarily due to an old map which showed that It was not on the Beach, but inland, and had a small church and a large communal well when it was forced to be abandoned by the Seri Indian attacks.. 
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You also posted -->Very few would have the capacity to even know where to search for the documents. I suspect that it is still possible that there is documents in Spain, Mexico and even the United States that would confirm the religious and mining opprations of Tayopa?
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Agreed, but to know where to search for these you must first understand the Jesuit thinking and MO in the new world.  Any records are in the  "Need to Know" files in Rome accessable only to theJesuit top Hierarchy.  Interested ?
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You also asked --> If Flipper went to Spain it must of been via Mexico and before 1908.
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You are correct, it was prior to the revolution.  After Green's land holdings and power were gone.
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You asked -->Am I correct to assume the map you just posted is of Col Greene's mining prospects?
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No, it is the actual location of Tayopa and is exactly in accordance with flippers famous story.
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Don Jose de La Mancha

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G'morning Hard luck mi compadre. coffee is ready for you in the patio, and any others that wish to join us.

Remember. this is not a book review, but a forum. and also a study to see if the legend of Tayopa is true and if I actually know what I am talking about.

So ask / post away pro or con, don't feel embarrassed or shy, POST !
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HL you posted-->The Gloria Pan and Tepoca stories deserves its own topic so Please stick with Tayopa for now
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Agreed, they were brought up to show that many legendary olden mimes actually existed, although today they are fading back into mother nature.and are being discredited by our 'enlightened' generations  
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You also posted -->  The newpapers in 1908 confirms the announcement of a discovery. There was never a chance to act upon the discovery because of Mexican revolution and the death of William Cornell Greene later in 1911
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This was in reference to Tayopa #1, which I Have already  posted about.. .  It has not been found to date
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You posted --> There is still a few more leads to tease from the story. I do have another story from the 1860's that indicates there was much interest in the Tayopa story back then.

Treasure Legends is like a slow strip tease revealing their secrets to those who perservere
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Unless there is a flash back opening chapter , no-one writes a story with the ending in the first lines. It s the same in here.  first the background and the various leads.and discussions.

Don Jose de La Mancha

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Hi,

It was the smell of coffee that got me here.

But i have no knowledge on the topic so i`d rather sit on the fence , listen and learn.

wuzneme

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