The Lost Adams

Yes I'm very much interested to see it too.

I think I will see if I can dig up anything on Emil Schaffer Seldom. I agree the guy Dobie wrote about sounded like a squirrell and it's a long shot but it might bring up something.

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Awsome BA! Hope the trip was good

Well I spent the morning scanning geneology records looking for mister Schaffer. I basically found nothing at all that I could link to the Adams story.

Now if we want to grasp at straws here is the slim lead I found....

There was a German WWI ace named Karl Emil Schaffer born 1891 in Bavaria. Perhaps named for a father or grandfather? Can't seem to locate his parents, but the family obviously had wealth as he was edjucated in Paris and spoke fluent english. I don't believe this will go anywhere though because....

As I was digging up schaffers I came across some coincidental things that struck me. Maria Julia Thomas.... ring a bell? She was involved with a couple of men namely "Emil" Thomas and Albert "Schafer" , a lost mine full of gold, the same area Az & NM, dutchmen (germans), indian uprisings, maps, well.... you get the idea. I believe the name Emil Schaffer of the Adams story to be creative writing at this point.   

 

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We shouldn't forget that Shaeffer(or some variation of it) is going to be a very common German name. It is the literal equivelant of Shepherd (which is a pretty common English name).....still trying to figure where my file has gotten off to, so I can't share the name of the other book yet.

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Biggest reason I've always been a believer in the Lost Adams is that even the "popular" tales of it carries more detail that can be more easily verified or disproved than most legends.  The landmarks are far less vague than in your typical legend.    For me the two biggest challenges have been 1) determining the exact starting point.....the older versions of the tale all say The Pima Indian Villages.  That usually gets interpretted in the modern tellings as either Gila Bend or Acton, although Marijo Wells also is a candidate as are several small villages.  Fortunately they are all in the same general area and within a couple of days travel of each other.......which brings me to the second big challenge---what is meant by a day's travel?   And that's where a lot of the confusion comes from.   A days travel for a military unit of the day is going to be greater than the typical day's travel for a civilian group.  I know that when the stories talk about finding the survivors four days from Fort Wingate, they're probably talking distance based on typical military travel......BUT the days leading up to that should be based on civilian (and disoriented civilian at that) travel.   So my own research (prior to deciding there was a good chance the diggings had been found) involved using Marijo Wells as the search center and then using the military travel as the maximum distance and 1/2 or so as the minimum....and then looking for locations that fit the landmark descriptions.

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	read one tail where it claimed that  the party had 10 burros with them and was only traveling 10 or 11 miles a day

Yeah, I figured 10 miles/day with burros to carry the supplies as the minimum and either 20 or 25 miles per day as the maximum (although I did read somewhere that the military could and often did do more than that per day for 2 or 3 days at a time).    I also figure that when the survivors were on the run they were probably doing more like 5 to 7 miles per day (what with all the running around in circles and hiding out).

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I havent seen the pamphlets yet but I have looked for them. It's still high on my priority list.

BA agread on the Schaffer name, which is also why I think it's a write in. I'm not disbelieving in the story just that one name.

I'm still reserving judgment until mr Jensen shows me some gold on if he really found it. I've seen too many people force fit landmarks before. 

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