The Lost Adams

 Hi all, I think it's the earlie reports that will be the best value to sole this LAD's
 There is supposedly a Brewers and Adams manuscript out there. Try the Brewers from the 1928 El Paso Herald.
 Adams was supposed to tell his story to R.C.Patterson ? Something else these old forts such as Wingate
 can change location.   

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Thanks for the articles Hardluck. very interesting storys.

That would be quite a journey for Adams in the first article. Tuscon is 345 miles (in a straight line) from the closest intersection of the colorado & new mexico borders. Unless they were way off on days and distance traveled or the Pima villages were way north of Tuscon thats a long ol way.

The second one is describing the Lost Adams cave that Seldom posted earlier if you ask me. The three indians watching over the mine. Did they tell someone the story of their secret mission for Montezuma or was that just creative writing to spice up the story? Makes you wonder where that legend originated?

The last one sounds like the Brewer account, but mixed with another or two.  

Makes one wonder which tale came first, cave or canyon, and did one spring from the other? I kind of get a gut feeling the Adams Cave tale might have sprung up from the other one. Perhaps when we run out of ground on the Adams diggings we can hash out the cave story too? At least that Adams has a first name

The fact that these articles don't even give Adams a first name (still with no name!) really bothers me. Obviously he must have had few real friends, no one he felt the need to be on a first name basis with?

I'm going to wander around the geneology pages today and see if I can get us candidates for a first name.



 

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Sorry I haven't been participating as much as usual on this one.....life has been getting in the way (besides the few times I've tried to add something, I've run into PC problems).

To goldnboy's point about forts changing locations---Fort Wingate is definitely one that moved--at least twice.   However, all of the locations are well documented and pretty well known.   If I remember correctly, it is the middle location that figures into the Adam's tale---and every version I've seen correctly identifies that location.  However, I don't think the Fort Wingate location really is a key to where the diggings were.  Ft Wingate only enters into the picture because of the soldiers that stumbled onto Adams.   The bigger key is which of the possible locations for the Pima Indian Villages is the correct one since all of the landmarks to the diggings are from the point of origin (the Indian Villages).  After the massacre, landmark details understandably get to be real sketchy up until the point where the Army enters into the equation.   For all we know, that could be as close as 5 miles or as far as 60 or so miles from the canyon depending upon how disoriented the survivors got during their flight.

And while I still haven't found my folder, I did come up with the name and author of the other book that puts in a pretty good argument for the Adams having been found.   Look for Eight Golden Orgies: Adams' Bloody Canyon of Gold by Sarah Stuart, published in 1985.   Sarah Stuart was a pseudonym for Zola Crosby 

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Beyond the question of the Adams Diggings, I'd recommend the book for any one interested in Arizona lost mines as she deconstructs the landmarks for 7 other "lost" mines.   The lady definitely spent a lot of boots on the ground and rump in the saddle time---on her own and with people who have grown up all over Arizona.

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Posted on: March 28, 2011, 02:09:41 PM

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	However, I don't think the Fort Wingate location really is a key to where the diggings were

That didn't come out exactly the way I meant it to  .   Ft Wingate IS important because the distance from Ft Wingate sets ONE of the boundaries for the search-----in other words, if you take a compass or protractor and draw a circle with a radius equal to the distance the Army (and you have to first decide for sure whether we're talking mounted or not...people forget that MOST of the army units in the southwest were infantry) around Ft Wingate and then you go to the Pima Indian Villages (and for sake of arguement pick a point in the middle of the 3 candidates) and draw another circle for the maximum distance the original party could have travelled from there, the diggings most likely will be some where inside the area where the 2 circles intersect.    What I really meant was all the important directions are based on travel from the Indian villages and not from Ft Wingate.

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What I like about his claim is that he is specific enough that somebody (like me, maybe) could put boots to ground and saddle to the rump and check how well it fits both what he says and what the accounts say.   From what I've read, Jack Purcell seems to think that Jensen may have found it after all and Richard French seems to be leaning that way also.   But until I either put my own boots to ground comparing his landmarks to what I see and what is written in the accounts or someone else verifies his landmarks and findings, it's still an open folder (just not as active it used to be).....On the other hand, I can't say that I've seen any rich finds coming out of this supposedly found Lost Adams.    

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	The methodology was sound though and it's possible he found the canyon but not the exact location in the canyon where the rich strike is/was yet.

That was pretty much my take on it, also.  Which is why I moved the file from the hot active to the "this is still really important so I want to grab everything I can on it, but I'm not planning a trip yet" stack.   And if he hasn't found the exact location the real location could still be open for filing


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