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« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2009, 05:25:44 pm »
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I really am at a loss to understand your issue here. There is no requirement for the bank to exist during WWII if the items were found AFTER WWII, which 1959 certainly qualifies as being. The book does not give a date, or so you indicate, so there's no way to determine when the items were discovered. The bank itself could be using an older bank and its buildings for a foundation of its offices. As I explained earlier, banks consolidate their offices and personnel during mergers or new bank creations. Why would you assume otherwise? Why presume that the bank was formed from all new buildings and all new offices? That defies logic.

The important question to ask is when was it discovered. Only then can you really take issue with the information being incorrect.


You are at a loss to understand simply because you are unaware of the time-frame of Chapter 4 "Storming the Indies", of which page 46 is a part of, was set in. The chapters are set in chronological order, and chapter 4 deals with happenings from 1941 to 1945 (those are the earliest and latest mentioned in the chapter).
 
By simple inference, everything in that chapter occurred in that period, and not in a post WW2 era. If you REALLY want to understand my stance, the link to read that chapter online was given in a previous reply to Goldigger. If you don't know the time frame of that chapter, you will remain at a loss to understand.

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« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2009, 06:01:16 pm »
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The real history of what happened as opposed to the claims the Seagraves make in their book, of which the real history of WW2 would probably be part of.


Sorry...you seemed to have confused a treasure hunting adventure book for REAL history. That happens sometimes   :Smiley

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« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2009, 06:03:32 pm »
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You are at a loss to understand simply because you are unaware of the time-frame of Chapter 4 "Storming the Indies", of which page 46 is a part of, was set in. The chapters are set in chronological order, and chapter 4 deals with happenings from 1941 to 1945 (those are the earliest and latest mentioned in the chapter).
 
By simple inference, everything in that chapter occurred in that period, and not in a post WW2 era. If you REALLY want to understand my stance, the link to read that chapter online was given in a previous reply to Goldigger. If you don't know the time frame of that chapter, you will remain at a loss to understand.


The book you are referring too is a novel (fiction) and as such...does not have to be chronologically correct 

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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2009, 06:05:54 pm »
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Sorry...you seemed to have confused a treasure hunting adventure book for REAL history. That happens sometimes   :Smiley

If there was any confusion, I'd hardly be asking you for book recommendations, would I?

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« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2009, 06:25:15 pm »
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The book you are referring too is a novel (fiction) and as such...does not have to be chronologically correct 

In the light of your stance, 100% agreed. And I am inclined towards that position as well, that it is mere fiction. I guess you don't have any decently accurate books on WW2 looting to recommend eh?

Assuming it is correct to state that the book is merely a work of fiction, it is really stretching logic too far (even for a work of fiction) to assume that the Golden Lily could "discover" bullion in the central bank of Malaysia on or after 1959. I can accept a premise (fictitious or real) of the Golden Lily chaps striding into war-torn and defeated Malaya and discovering (and looting) all they wanted.
I cannot however imagine Hirohito's relatives trying to gain access into Malaysia's central bank so that they may "discover" bullion. They'd have no right or business to be there in 1959 or later.

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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2009, 07:27:12 pm »
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You are at a loss to understand simply because you are unaware of the time-frame of Chapter 4 "Storming the Indies", of which page 46 is a part of, was set in. The chapters are set in chronological order, and chapter 4 deals with happenings from 1941 to 1945 (those are the earliest and latest mentioned in the chapter).
 
By simple inference, everything in that chapter occurred in that period, and not in a post WW2 era. If you REALLY want to understand my stance, the link to read that chapter online was given in a previous reply to Goldigger. If you don't know the time frame of that chapter, you will remain at a loss to understand.


Inference is down to your interpretation. That's what I mean when I say it's hard to figure out what you are really needing to know.

I did try to do some searching on the web regarding the formation of the bank but it all does lead to the 1959 start date. The newspapers of the day may have some more information regarding which banks, if any, were absorbed into the new structure. Are you understanding what I mean? I'm not suggesting for a second that you are wrong. I am simply at a loss to understand why you don't want to pursue the origin of Bank Negara beyond what is in the book.
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The book you are referring too is a novel (fiction) and as such...does not have to be chronologically correct 


You're being a bit insulting now, RO. I also believe that there is no such thing as the Yamashita Treasure but that's no reason not to give serious attention to the point that Hobbyist is researching - the creation of Bank Negara.

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« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2009, 01:10:44 am »
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Inference is down to your interpretation. That's what I mean when I say it's hard to figure out what you are really needing to know.

I did try to do some searching on the web regarding the formation of the bank but it all does lead to the 1959 start date. The newspapers of the day may have some more information regarding which banks, if any, were absorbed into the new structure. Are you understanding what I mean? I'm not suggesting for a second that you are wrong. I am simply at a loss to understand why you don't want to pursue the origin of Bank Negara beyond what is in the book.
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You're being a bit insulting now, RO. I also believe that there is no such thing as the Yamashita Treasure but that's no reason not to give serious attention to the point that Hobbyist is researching - the creation of Bank Negara.


I already have pursued the origin of Bank Negara to the extent of phoning them for info. And its really quite simple what I need to know: Why was a then non-existent bank mentioned in the same breath as the Golden Lily? Still no reply from the authors; I'll give them till this Sunday and then write in to Verso Books.

RO's laconic style is not insulting. I've heard worse things merely for asking for permission to detect on a property, and for favoring to swing a Nokta. Since RO had stated that the Seagraves chose to omit pertinent facts and documents, I had hoped he/she'd share some of the said omitted material. But evidently that is not forthcoming.

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« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2009, 02:54:27 am »
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I cannot imagine my post being insulting, by simply pointing out the category of the publication.

In regards to suggesting another source that includes the real history, I cannot do. The Golden Lily was a fictitious organization created by the Seagrave's to enhance the novel Gold Warriors. It is a single source conspiracy theory, and as such, can only be found in one place.

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« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2009, 03:10:43 am »
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I cannot imagine my post being insulting, by simply pointing out the category of the publication.

In regards to suggesting another source that includes the real history, I cannot do. The Golden Lily was a fictitious organization created by the Seagrave's to enhance the novel Gold Warriors. It is a single source conspiracy theory, and as such, can only be found in one place.


Of course it was not insulting in the least. You merely pointed out your stance on the book.
And seeing as it is a work of fiction, I was not asking you for further info on the Golden Lily; rather the phrase I used when asking you was "WW2 looting". I'm very sure looting did take place....do you know of any author who documented such acts?

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« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2009, 05:08:18 pm »
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A very good question. Is there a scholarly publication in regards to the looting done by Japan, during World War ll. To be honest, I cannot think of even one now. I know there are some publications that make reference to the looting that did occur, but not a publication dedicated to just looting, with statistics.

It is rather odd that there has been lengthily investigations to the looting done by Germany in Europe during World War ll (see link below), but not a lot of mention about the looting done in Southeast Asia.

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