Ace 250 on salty beaches/soils?

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	Re: Ace 250 on salty beaches/soils? « Reply #10 on: June 30, 2009, 05:11:59 pm »

I too am scratching my head over his comments. The Ace250 gets high marks from local beach hunters. I admit to not having tried it myself but the local guys I speak with love it in or out of the surf.

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	Re: Ace 250 on salty beaches/soils? « Reply #11 on: June 30, 2009, 05:19:48 pm »

I make up that his high dollar machine that he told his wife was worth his last 3 paychecks has clouded his vision in that you can pay 212 for an ace and use it with success. ..even in the salt that others have said. HH

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	Re: Ace 250 on salty beaches/soils? « Reply #12 on: July 01, 2009, 01:08:33 am »

My dear fellows,

I have been hunting beaches for more than 16.000 hours.

I have had both the ACE 150 and 250 from fellow hunters in my hands.

I studied a lot metal detector technique because I am curious.

I have the highest respect for Mr Garrett and the detectors he produces

What is called an automatic ground balance is no more tha a preset one, as I said above.

I also said that enthusiast users of the aces tend to over rate them.

If you really want to know how they perform, just have a look at these tests :

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The ACES are fine detectors, but they are just entry level machines designed to have family fun in hunting for modern coinage.

From the tests above, you can see how they perform on european relics : they were not built for that !

Neither were hey to search wet salt beaches !! This is specialty work !

I myself am a huge fan of simple units, and use a tesoro Compadre for dry sand hunting. This unit is ten times better than an ACE, trust me.

For wet sand hunting, you need PI, BBS or FBS detectors ( or some high priced motion fishers or whites machines). Not ACES, not even a Compadre.

I do not want to hurt anybody, but someone asked an advice on a subject I know, and i thought to give mine, even if that hurts.

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	Re: Ace 250 on salty beaches/soils? « Reply #13 on: July 01, 2009, 01:54:31 am »

Hay guys,

I do not want to rock tha boat here, but Beach Comber
really does know just what he is talkin about.

People may find some shallow targets on salt beaches
and think they are doin OK. And they are.

But they do not how little depth they are getting.

An Ace 250 has a factory pre-set ground balance. It
does not ground track.

Sorry, but Beach Comber knows just what he is talkin
about.

I got ta tell it like it is.

Few VLF machines do real well on wet salt beaches.
Especially those without manual ground balance or
ground tracking.

Happy Huntin,

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	Re: Ace 250 on salty beaches/soils? « Reply #14 on: July 01, 2009, 02:32:08 am »

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It clearly states that the Ace250 auto adjusts for ground balance. I also have checked with my friend, the Perth beach hunter, and he agrees. So does the local shop owner. Look, it is not a big deal either way but I hate to see someone slam a superior machine without having a clue as to what they are talking about.

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	Re: Ace 250 on salty beaches/soils? « Reply #15 on: July 01, 2009, 02:33:08 am »

hi..wot do you think about the whit,s prizm 6t Detecting

here from you soon Wink

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	Re: Ace 250 on salty beaches/soils? « Reply #16 on: July 01, 2009, 02:58:04 am »

From what I understand, the Prizm 6t
has ground tracking.

That should give it advantages over
tha Ace 250. The price reflects that
also.

The 250 is one of tha most successful
machines on tha market. I think there
is good reason for that.

But I guess tha 6t will out do it over all.

I am not a fan of tha Prizm or tha Ace.

I an a gold jewelry and relic hunter.

I can make tha $152 Compadre do things
that tha 250 and 6t can not come close to.

But, do not think you can make tha same
magic without a whole lot of practice.

I like analog controls, and just a single
tone.

I can tell more than them funky TIDs can
tell me.

But, that is just Tabdog and his way.

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	Re: Ace 250 on salty beaches/soils? « Reply #17 on: July 01, 2009, 03:08:04 am »

We 'd discuss it endlessly, so this will be my last in this thread.

The manufacturers present their product in an attractive way.

Tabdog gave me the word I was looking for (not english speaking) : tracking.

The 250, nor the 150 does NOT track the ground.

If they did, they would not false once on the wet salt sand !!

If you think the ACEs are good detectors, then we share the same advice.

If you think it is a great wet sand hunter, let me tell you you are over rating it.

As soon as an ace, or any entry level model from any brand you want arrives on the wet salt, it will false.

You can reduce the falsing by lowering the sens, or crancking up the disc. Both operations have one sad size effect : losing depth (and thus targets) Thin gold will not be found .

If that is OK with their owners, it is OK for me.

But in answer to the initial question of this thread, I cannot say that the ACES (Compadre, F2, Tracker IV, Prizm 2 or whatever entry level models) are great detectors for what wet salt beach hunting is concerned.

HH

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	Re: Ace 250 on salty beaches/soils? « Reply #18 on: July 01, 2009, 04:15:18 am »

The Ace250 has auto-adjust tracking on power up. You are incorrect. Sorry. But you are also right. You do not need an Ace250. But the original questioner should look closely at it without your skewed and incorrect notions about the detector.

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	Re: Ace 250 on salty beaches/soils? « Reply #19 on: July 01, 2009, 05:39:25 am »

This link is a good read....I'm really not concerned with what people think a detector can or cannot do but what they experience tells a better story. My truck has big tires but it's not 4 wheel drive people think it would do great in the mud but it doesn't. It's more about learning your detector and getting your coil over the right stuff. HH

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