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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2010, 03:40:25 am »
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Hello All

It is an interesting treasure legend. However there are a few questions spring to mind.

Would Le Vasseur really have the time to create such a complex cipher and clues as stated by Reginald Cruise Wilkins?

What was the oldest account of the story?

Is the original documents and cryptogram still in the Museum of the Seychelles?

Who was the mysterious Norwegian who owned the Cryptogram before Reginald Cruise Wilkins?

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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2010, 12:49:31 am »
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  Hi All , As I know it there was an amulet, and also possibly some papers! but could be getting confused with the papers!
 It is interesting though with the cryptogram thrown in the mix! 

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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2010, 04:34:15 am »
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Hello All

Another thing you might find of interest There seems very little information about the treasure story before 1948? At least in the English speaking world. But perhaps there is some documents that still survives in France?

Only copies of alleged Ciphers claimed to be connected with Olivier de Vasseur has ever been presented.

This sorts of amazes me that Reginald Cruise Wilkins never revealed any of the alleged original documents to substantiate the story. And the Belief from 1948 at least that the Documents were genuine.  Clearly there was a grave of sorts on the beach.

But was the grave site actually in situ with the alleged treasure story. We are relying a lot on Reginald Cruise Wilkins assumptions that the alleged documents refers to Andromeda and the 12 labors of Hercules?  

And here lies the perennial problem for treasure hunters relying on a single information source from some one else's impression of alleged original copies.

It would be a nice Christmas present indeed if some one had a Photograph copy of the original alleged documents?

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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2010, 10:19:30 pm »
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Hardluck, very interesting point! I cannot find any info on the supposed treasure prior 1948...?

I have had a chance to decipher some more of the cryptic clue. The more it becomes readable the more it seems to me that it's a cryptic journey log.

It is time consuming, but lets decipher it and see what the rest unveils.

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2010, 05:48:10 am »
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Hello All

One thing I have learned many years researching treasure legends is to question everything of the story and try to get at the oldest source of the story.

CS I am interested in what archaic words you come up with. Luc may be assistance old French words.

There might been a chance to find some very old travel journals to India that might mention the fiery cross of India and the cathedral in Goa?

Here is more information about Cathedral at Goa.

The "general gazetteer or compendious geographical dictionary By Richard Brookes 1816" states that the fine church buildings in Goa was poorly furnished But his description GOA had already by 1816 at least seem better days.

Goa is a small state on India's west coast. Run by Portugal for about 450 years until annexed by India in 1961, Goa is by far the wealthiest place in India, boasting a GDP per capita two and a half times that of the rest of the country.

Facts about the supposed Fiery Cross of Goa, however, are pretty thin on the ground.

This cross was alleged in some accounts to be seven feet tall, encrusted with diamonds, rubies and emeralds. It was so heavy that three men were needed to carry it. The haul was divided amongst the pirate crew but Levasseur kept the golden cross. He allegedly had a house in the Northwest Seychelles (at Bel Ombre) and there he buried the cross before he was captured by the French a few years later, tried and sentenced to death.

By the Middle Ages, the Church had amassed a great deal of wealth so it is quite plausible that a substantial shipment of gold was sent from Goa to Lisbon.

What is surprising, however, is that there is no mention of any fabulous diamond encrusted solid gold cross in historical inventories of the cathedral or anywhere else. The Fiery Cross of Goa didn't seem to exist before this story which first appeared in 1948.

Gold was, and is, a useful currency. But currency is only useful if it can be traded. Gold is heavy (nearly twice as heavy as lead and nearly 20 times heavier than water) but can be traded relatively easily if the gold bars are a reasonable size. It makes no sense to convert such large tangible assets into something that is too cumbersome to trade with.

How cumbersome? Some accounts say the cross was seven feet high (213.36cm). Seven is a lucky number that adds to the mystique of this cross, but the reality is different.

If we assume the typical ratio of a cross, the horizontal arm for a 2m high cross would be about 1.5m. A reasonable width and thickness would be perhaps 25cm x 25cm giving a total volume of 218,750 cm3. That would weigh 4,226kg (9,317lb).

A four-ton cross carried by just three men?

So we have a story that mentions a cross that there is no historical record of it. You can see for yourself the fine building the cathedral was.Certainly it is not impossible treasure was captured from the Cathedral of Goa?

But not the alleged Fiery cross with imposable claimed dimensions. Perhaps that was an invention of imaginative 20th century writers coloring up the story?

Sadly no rubies for us. Grin

Another question keeps bugging me. There was a claim that a document was found also in 1948 of land ownership in the name of Olivier de Vasseur at Bel Ombre. Why would a pirate use his own name to buy land on a French Island when he was wanted by the French and in Hiding from them?

A few points to consider?

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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2010, 11:21:13 am »
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Hey all

Some infos, the presence of Olivier Le Vasseur said La Buze or La Bouche is attested in the Indian Ocean between April 21, 1721 date of the making of "Cape of the Virgin" (Collection of ancient books on Madagascar Grandidier Volume V p 65) and 1722 taking Delagoa and starting in December of that year on Madagascar (Grandidier Volume V p 60) and the story of Jacob Bucquoi which tells the same facts at the time precisely.

if someone needs help to translate or know the significance or meaning of certain words in French, I can possibly help you.

I also have a web link to a book written in English (to page 55) tells the story of Levasseur.

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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2010, 04:52:42 pm »
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Hello All

Thank you Luc for the information and links. What was the date of publication of the books you mentioned?


 Another question comes to mind. I wonder why Olivier Le Vasseur was at Fort Dauphin when he was captured? Was he trying to bargain a deal with the local French Governor?

Fort Dauphin was another interesting haunt of the pirate. Here are two attachments. One is of the location and town today and the other is map of Fort Dauphin from 1650.

Thanks all for sharing.

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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2010, 07:43:40 am »
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Hey HardLuck

the date of publication of the books that I have mentioned is 1903 by Alfred et Guillaume GRANDIDIER

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Thanks Hardluck for bring your stone to the edifice

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« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2010, 06:51:26 am »
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Hello Luc

Thank you for the complement.

And Thank you for the interesting  book links  Great
A book dated 1903 predates 1948 seems to expel the idea that some of the story was at least not and invention in 1948.

Back in around 1992 Cameron Plat gave an interview with John Wilkins the son of Reginald Cruise Wilkins. I feel sorry for John as he has had no choice in some respects to follow in his fathers footsteps. Reginald Cruise Wilkins made a lot of assumptions in which his son is trying to finish.

The interview did not put the story in a good light. John is a softly spoken man trying solve this Legend.But he seems  heavily influenced by his fathers work. This by some has be viewed by some very negatively.

I know of another group who believes differently from what John and his father believes. Both groups have found interesting Things. Who is right? Is any of the things really in context to Olivier Le Vasseur ?

It would be nice if we could discover some very early 18th century documents of the story?

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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2010, 12:05:48 pm »
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Hey Hardluck and the other

Please find below an intersting link for a PDF document with the synthesis of this story, there is also a lot of link.

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